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Squawk of the day - April 3, 2012

"They always say that if you mess around with drugs and live a thug life, there are only two places for you and that is prison or the cemetery. Trayvon Martin made the wrong decision and now he is in the cemetery."

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 8 months ago

But he's joined the long list of Urban Heroes, including Rodney King, etc etc.

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lynn227 2 years, 8 months ago

Do you have any God anywhere in you? How does being a teenager, walking home from a store, then defending yourself from a stranger make you a thug? Would you call a friend of your son(assuming you have one) a thug because he is a typical teenager? I work with young people. They walk around in all manner of bizarre dress and delight in talking all day on cell phones. Black or white...that doesn't make them thugs.

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LGadson 2 years, 8 months ago

First of all, since when does walking down the street make you a target to get killed? HE WAS SIMPLY WALKING!!!!! I teach school; and I have had far more, worst things happen to me from students. But I NEEEEEEEEVER thought about hurting any of them. I have had money (big money) stolen out of my purse, (this was from two white girls). So does that mean all little white girls steal? I have been cursed out, swung on, TOTALLY disrespected by parents and students, plus ended up in the hospital for stress. And I still have to go back the next day and teach those very ones...to the fullest. At times, I thought about going back into the military and not teaching anymore. But I looooove what I do. I love this ability God gave me, and I have to use it to serve His children. That's what gets me up each day. So, I don't see thugs, gang members or thieves. I see children. So for you to take the same attitude as George Zimmerman to see our children in that light is both shocking and disappointing.

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tywebb 2 years, 8 months ago

walking down the street didn't make him a target to get killed. it just made him a target for an over-zealous neighborhood watchman who chose to ignore the 911 operators suggestion not to follow.
i teach too and if i'm ever "swung on" you can bet i'll be swinging back! And I promise that "child" would not be in my class again! how can you loooooooove a job that sends you to the hospital due to stress???

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LGadson 2 years, 8 months ago

What I love has been in me since childhood. One challenging year does not determine my entire career. I will stop when my own son finishes college...and he's 5! I focus on all my students; and especially the ones I can make a difference to. And the ones that fight us...well you have to figure out a way to get through to them. And if not, all you can do is plant that seed, and God will allow something or someone else to come behind us and water it. And I will never swing back. You call administration, they escort them out, so that the rest of the students can learn...in a safe and happy environment. This was elementary school. And its worth it. I fight tooth and nail for Georgia's kids to learn. They need it. They deserve it just like any other kid in the nation. My love for teaching children is greater than a trip to the hospital. God is bigger than stress. So I don't allow Satan to trick me out of my duties. As long as God keeps my mind at a highly effective capacity, then I will serve His children. I have to.

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Racc 2 years, 8 months ago

How do you know exactly what kinda attitude George Zimmerman had??

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LGadson 2 years, 8 months ago

Your attitude becomes your actions!

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Somebody 2 years, 8 months ago

For example, Martin could have had an atttude and attacked Zimmerman....

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Somebody 2 years, 8 months ago

In all fairness to your question about walking down the street making you a target of getting shot, that question could be related to several issues. Sadly anybody can become a target of violence at any given time no matter where you are or what you are doing. Like why would washing your car at the car wash make one a victim? The list could go on & on. There are a lot of bad people out there.

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firefly 2 years, 8 months ago

Simply walking in a gated community???

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Somebody 2 years, 8 months ago

People get robbed and burglarzied in gated communities, just the other day in that gated community off of Westgate Drive someone's house got burglarized and ransacked. Gated communities are not immune to crime or violence. Even in churches people get shot and killed. Anything can happen anytime & any place.

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 8 months ago

I heard yesterday, on talk radio, that Trayvon's body was in the morgue for three days before his family knew what happened to him, THREE Days??? That is awful! I thought he went the the store to buy little brother some skittles and an iced tea... Wasn't little brother looking out for him? Any kid would be eagerly waiting by the door for his goodies. And I heard that Trayvon was yards from the house... Didn't little brother see the flashing lights from the cop cars and the ambulance and go out to investigate? Nothing makes sense in this sad sad story.

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lynn227 2 years, 8 months ago

How is that his brother's fault? Perhaps his brother isn't an ambulance chaser. I agree with the other statement, it's sad.

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 8 months ago

Not saying it is... saying if he was waiting for him to get back, he woulda told mom and dad or bigger brother or someone, "Trayvon never got back with my skittles." I'm just wondering how he laid in the morgue for 3 days! Why didnt the cops call "home" on his cell phone... maybe no home phone??? They are few and far between these days. I would be going crazy looking for my 18 year old!!! I would have been out looking everywhere and calling everyone...

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TheBoss 2 years, 8 months ago

The only thing that we know at this time is the Sanford police are as incompetent as the DCSS Board.

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tywebb 2 years, 8 months ago

wrong. the sanford police, after bringing zimmerman in, wanted to press charges, but it was the states prosecutor who said no.

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chinaberry25 2 years, 8 months ago

He will be a role model for the black children of today. Just like Big Willie was years ago. Where is Big Willie, still in prison? There is more than meets the eye of this young thug roaming the streets at night. Did they use to live in Albany?

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lynn227 2 years, 8 months ago

Big Willie is dead. You of all people should know that fact. For the record, roaming the streets at night does not make one a thug. No more than wearing a business suit made Ted Bundy, a gentleman. Stop labeling kids...white or black!

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scooby62 2 years, 8 months ago

How do we know he was a thug? Because he was black? Not only does that not make sense, but it smacks of racism.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 8 months ago

Whoever wrote that squawk is a sick puppy....

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FlunkyMonkey 2 years, 8 months ago

I want to ask this squawker something--he was in that neighborhood to visit his future stepmother--that makes him a thug? If that is the case, your words make you an idiot!! Wearing a hoodie and walking slowly in the rain makes him a thug? Then you are a horse's a@@!

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jglass 2 years, 8 months ago

Again, nobody really knows what happened and will never know exactly what happened. The media and the marches are only adding fuel to the fire. Hopefully justice will prevail.

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Susan123 2 years, 8 months ago

It doesn't matter if the kid was "acting 'thuggish'" or not. According to ALL articles I have read and news segments I have heard regarding this case the main points are all the same: the kid was walking down the street, talking on his cell phone, minding his own business. The adult disobeyed police orders and approached the kid. And the adult shot and killed the UNARMED kid.

Black, white, mexican...none of that should matter! I know it does, but it shouldn't!! An unarmed person was murdered because the shooter did not follow the orders that were given to him! Did he shoot in self-defense?? I don't know. Probably. I do believe that the two got into an altercation. I know, that if it was me, and I was walking down the street, going to a house that I was permitted to be at, and a stranger walked up to me and began to be rude and disrespectful to me, I would not just stand there and take it. I would stick up for myself also, as would anyone else here. And this was a 17 year old, and we all know how cocky they are! Their race does not matter, all teenagers have attitude problems, so ofcourse he was going to fight back! At 28, I would fight back!!

The fact of the matter is, The shooter NEVER should have approached the victim. He was instructed not to, and he done so anyways! And that's where it all went down hill!

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tywebb 2 years, 8 months ago

how do you know he was rude and disrespectful? And you make it sound as if the shooter just walked up and shot him. NOBODY knows what happened! including you

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Susan123 2 years, 8 months ago

The reason I stated that he was being rude and disrespectful was because of one of the articles I had read. The young gentleman was talking on his cell phone to his girlfriend. The girlfriend released a statement saying that she was on the phone with him when the altercation between the two first started and heard some of what happened before the phone went dead. And if you would have actually read the entire post that I wrote, then you would see that I never "made it sound like he just walked up and shot him". As a matter of fact, I stated, and I quote, "I do believe that the two got into an altercation." Now, how exactly does that sound like I believe that he just walked up and shot him??? What I believe (and yes, this is just my opinion, as I was not there) happened is that Zimmerman was following the young man and approached him (which he was instructed not to do, and it doesn't matter by who), he was being rather rude and the young man got rude back with him (as all teenagers will) an altercation occurred (at this point, I really don't have an opinion as to who started the physical part of the altercation) and Zimmerman shot and killed Martin. I believe it is a POSSIBILITY he shot Martin out of self-defense, seeing that there does appear to have been a physical altercation, but Zimmerman never should have approached Martin and none of this would have happened.

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tywebb 2 years, 8 months ago

This statement was what i was referring to about you making it sound like he walked up and shot him: "The adult disobeyed police orders and approached the kid. And the adult shot and killed the UNARMED kid." And I sure wouldn't believe everything the girlfriend says.
But you're right, zimmerman never should have approached him and none of this would have happened.

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

Small detail for you. 911 operators are not police officers, so he did not disobey an order from a law enforcement officer, as you state.

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

Do you kiss your kids with that filthy mouth?

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Susan123 2 years, 8 months ago

Why do you say that?? You mean to tell me that you think I am the most responsible one here?? WOW that is so nice of you Jacob :) You have made my day!!

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

Gutter mouth and obtuse.. Again, you are quite the catch...

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Susan123 2 years, 8 months ago

So one "bad" word makes me a gutter mouth? well so be it. You have no idea what kind of person I am. I'm sure you have spoken much worse. I can tell you are a hypocrite and a bigot and I no longer have the energy or desire to carry on with this petty bickering. I do hope you have a wonderful evening with your family.

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

and I wish you luck starting one someday...

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VSU 2 years, 8 months ago

"YAWN" That is all I have left to say about this story. As I have stated before, nobody really knows what happened, but no doubt Zimmerman was wrong from the start in following this kid, and the situation could have been avoided if he had done what the 911 operator suggested him to do.

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KaosinAlbany 2 years, 8 months ago

Can we drop this subject and let the family have some peace now?

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Citizen_A 2 years, 8 months ago

You would think that after all these years we could actually get past the black and white issues. Instead of turining this into a racial issue, lets learn from the situation. Teens (white, black, blue, or green) should not be out late, or past curfew, and neighborhood watches should not think they are the police. And, whether or not you have a permit, a gun has no place on a neighborhood watch. All you should be using is eyes and a phone (and maybe a camera). I am all for looking out for the neighborhood, but some protection is needed for both sides of that fence. Maybe some legislation is needed for regulating the neighborhood watches.

@ KaosinAlbany...unfortuantely the family will not get the peace you wish for them...they started this publicity storm...but like "VSU" I am tired of it all.

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Susan123 2 years, 8 months ago

I agree with everything you stated. But, according to the police reports, the first call to 911 was made at 19:17, that is only 7:17 pm, that's not late and I don't know of any city that has a curfew of 7:00 pm. But I could be wrong. There would probably less crime and a higher number of high school and college graduates if teenagers weren't allowed on the streets past 7:00. Then they could focus on schoolwork and actually learn something!

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Citizen_A 2 years, 8 months ago

Agreed, unless my kids have an activity (church, sports, etc.) that requires them out past 6:30 or so, I have them at home.

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beartrap 2 years, 8 months ago

the real culprit is that almost all the crime is committed by young black thugs just like Trayvon martin who incidently was no choir boy...numerous suspensions from school and had also been found previously to have woman's jewelry and watch in his book pack with a flat bladed screwdriver(burglary tool) and no viable explantion of where he got it.....the blacks ought to be raising hell with every punk that commits a crime...this what causes racism and it will never change until black leadership stops the problem from within... people like jesse and al call people racists but the reality is their idea of a racist is really someone who will not ignore sorry or criminal behavior... clean up your act and there won't be racism...

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Susan123 2 years, 8 months ago

OMG!!!!!! You mean, having a flat blade screwdriver in your possession means that you are going to commit or already have committed burglary??? OH CRAP!! I better run and get rid of all the ones my husband has in his shop!! And OH MY...I think I have one in my car...I better get rid of that STAT!!

And I got suspended from school one time...

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Somebody 2 years, 8 months ago

Well you have to admit, a flat headed screwdriver is not your everyday item you bring to school such as pen, pencil, eraser etc. unless he has a shop class he goes to. although carrying around a bolt cutter would be more suspicious than a screwdriver, but ........

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AuntieDee 2 years, 8 months ago

Ignorance reigns among racial bigots! What about the acts of white thugs? Shouldn't ya'll clean up your criminal behavior? Your white thugs wear hoodies, piercings, tattoos, etc. Not only that, they smoke and sell dope, rob, kill, steal, manufacture meth,....you name it and they do that and more. Every killing at a school in the USA was committed by some deranged white kid. Every meth lab in Dougherty and Lee Counties were operated by white folks. All the perverts with child porn on their computers in Albany and Leesburg are white. The only difference is what blacks do criminally gets published more. Ya'll are closet criminals. Most of you are sitting in high places too. When y'all get caught the first thing y'all do is blame on a black man. Just like Clare Fox Hilliared. Caught running around naked and claimed a black man tried to rob him. He just didn't want anyone to know he was with a punk.

I absolutely agree with you on one fact. Racism will never die, Especially with ignorant white people like you around. You are so pathetic and such a typical redneck.

And just so you will know, I AM BLACK and I AM PROUD!!!!!!!!

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Somebody 2 years, 8 months ago

And I suppose Black people are not out there committing crimes, doing drive by shootings, breaking into houses, robbing convenience stores, not involved in gangs, not wearing tattoos, not selling drugs, not wearing hoodies, have no piercings, not doing drugs, not molesting young children, don't blame things on white people, not doing lude acts in public, not urinating in public, not cheating on taxes, not stealing cars, not driving around with expired license or no license and insurance...................If you think that, You must be drinking 20 gallons of kool-aid a day.

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VSU 2 years, 8 months ago

I wasn't gonna say anything more on this burned out subject, but AuntieDee & Somebody, wouldn't it just be simple to say there is good & bad in all races?

I believe it was an Asian that killed those students at that college in Oakland, California. so any race is capable of good & evil.

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AuntieDee 2 years, 8 months ago

Okay VSU. I stand corrected SO ADD THE Asians to be the equation. Just strange you only waited to comment after me. I guess it was okay for the redneck bear trap to have his spill about blank thugs.

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VSU 2 years, 8 months ago

If you re-read my post I was refering to you & the poster Somebody not just you, and if you read an earlier post i said I was tired of hearing about this subject. people need to move on. Course if it will make you feel better I will write a post and blast everybody that has written on this topic.

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 8 months ago

Please, Albany Herald Staff, pick a squawk that has nothing to do with this tomorrow... not a sports squawk either. Also, maybe comments need a limit. 300 characters or something... all these "letter to the editor" comments are ridiculous.

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Susan123 2 years, 8 months ago

But thn we b typn lik dis 2 get da msg acros n as lil letrs as poss :)

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL! I understood everything you said tho... that's the scary part.

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tommybeall 2 years, 8 months ago

Most of these "squawks", especially this one, bring out the hatred and stupidity in people. This newspaper represents the city of Albany, and it's a bit shameful to even feature a column which clearly brings out the worst in it's citizens..

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KaosinAlbany 2 years, 8 months ago

Thank you. I thought it was pretty irresponsible of the Herald to pick this squawk also. We don't need to add more fuel to the fire and that is exactly what this squawk just did.

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Parent 2 years, 8 months ago

Very disappointed in the Albany Herald!

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 8 months ago

Wow, everybody said a mouthful.....you can tell this story has struck a nerve in some people. It sounds like Blacks want justice, and Whites want this story to go away....Forget race for a minute and just think for a second. A kid was killed and the admitted killer is still walking free. I think this story has enough facts that anybody with common sense (Black or White) can see that this man Zimmerman should at least be arrested and let the court system decide his fate. I dont think that is asking a lot from a police department who knows who the killer is. It seems as though some of you guys are getting off the point by letting your personal feelings get involved. The only thing that needs to happen is for Zimmerman to be arrested. Blacks and Whites should have been marching together in Sanford and saying the same thing.....ARREST ZIMMERMAN NOW!!!

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

Please describe exactly the statute that he violated and what elements that you have proof of that are present as facts.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 8 months ago

I'm trying not to insult you.....but sir.....he only killed someone after stalking them and not following the instructions he was given by a 911 operator. That is called Murder 1......If he would have listened, no murder would have taken place....The "self defense" argument is almost completely dead after seeing his so called "life threatening injuries" when he bounced out of the police car only 35 minutes after the killing. He strolled in the police precinct on his own power and no signs of trauma. Even you.....should be able to see that this was murder 1......I guess you think Trayvon hit Zimmerman in the head with those skittles a little too hard so he deserved to die right?????

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Somebody 2 years, 8 months ago

His injuries were cleaned up by the emt's. O.J. Simpson murdered two people and he is still out walking free.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 8 months ago

has nothing to do with this case....

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Somebody 2 years, 8 months ago

You said Zimmerman was walking free, O.J. is still walking free, same difference.

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beartrap 2 years, 8 months ago

That Florida "stand your ground" statue was passed for one reason only....The responsible and law abiding taxpayers got tired of the black on white,theft burglaries,rapings,robberies and murders committed...look at the crime statistics and over 80% of those type crimes are being committed by blacks.... the evidence in this case is overwhelming that this wannabe hood jumped on zimmerman,had him down and was beating hell out of him.... he got shot and deservedly so... as the Texas judge said prior to hanging a horse thief,"I don't know if hanging deters horse thieves but it will certainly deter this horse thief from stealing another horse"....

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 8 months ago

The bottom line appears to be this: depending on what race you are......Zimmerman is GUILTY or either he is AWAITING EVIDENCE FROM INVESTIGATION. And depending on what race your are.......Martin is either INNOCENT or shares CULPABILITY based on his behavior. (ie...did he circle back and buss Zimmerman "side the head" etc etc......??

And Yes, I'm referencing the 17-yr old Martin, not the 12-year ole picture of Martin that came out first. Thanks, USA (un-)Objective News Media!!!!

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AuntieDee 2 years, 8 months ago

No, he didn't circle back. He fought back .

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Somebody 2 years, 8 months ago

How do you know he didn't circle back, did you see the incident?

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 8 months ago

We know what you think Sister Ruby based on your previous comments on anything with Black people involved. You think all Blacks are criminals or thugs or something. So, your opinion is null and void.

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G_Michael 2 years, 8 months ago

I’m so sick of hearing about his injuries. Just when should he have defend himself, just before his last breath ? And why didn’t this scared kid call 911 with that cell phone?

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 8 months ago

B I N G O ! ! ! ! I have thought that too... he had the phone, why didnt he call?

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TheMember 2 years, 8 months ago

Coach, first of all, murder1 as you call it, would be Zimmerman set out that night to kill Trayvon, which I don't think he actually planned to kill anyone. Second, according to eye witnesses, Zimmerman was walking back to his car and Trayvon came up behind him and asked him if he had a problem and then said he did now. Then proceeded to try and whip his a$$. I have no idea if it is true or what is true, but please don't think the police are stupid enough to try and cover something like this up. I have said from the beginning, I have no idea what happened, but there are details that we don't know or they would have pressed charges. It is a crying shame you and others just want him thrown in jail regardless. The fact he stayed in the morgue for 3 days is news to me, cause I am tired of hearing all the race baiters call for Zimmermans head, but he was talking to his girlfriend for god's sakes, don't you think she could have called police or his parents to inform them after the disturbing phone call?

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

Coach ignored my suggestion that he cite the particular statute that he thinks was violated and the proof that exists to meet the legal elements of that crime. He would have Z arrested because "it seems like it must be a crime" to him. Keep on sipping Al and Jesse's Koolaid Coach. It goes down so smooth, doesn't it? I suppose it is much easier to let them do your thinking for you than examine the facts that exist....

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 8 months ago

You can twist it and turn it all you want.....it doesn't change anything. You can put lipstick on a PIG and you still get PORK.......Zimmerman is Guilty as Hell and you know it. See, when it looks like someone other than a black commits a murder, you start fishing for excuses,twists, lies, and the exact 'statute' that applies. (Who gives a dam about that?) I hope your child is never hunted down and killed because he looks suspicious.......I bet you will change your tune then....What you need to do is fight for whats right! It doesnt matter what color that boy was!! If a white kid gets killed the same way...guess what??...ITS WRONG!!! No human should be murdered like that. You never addressed my point....If Zimmerman had followed instructions....NO MURDER TAKES PLACE.....

Now chew on that for a while.....

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

Not that you are open minded enough to listen, but in answer to your question regarding who gives a dam about what statute applies, I would suggest that the entire criminal justice system does, right up to the U.S. Supreme Court. Lynch mobs were quashed and out of fashion decades ago, Coach. Don't let that whole "due process" thingy get in the way of your blind desire for misplaced revenge, though. Carry on with your usual silliness..

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bubbasmithredneck 2 years, 8 months ago

Woo Hoo!! The Coach is back!!! Dont make him lay the smack down on your candy a$$..... lol

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CJ_Fan 2 years, 8 months ago

Coach is back. But why does he talk out of both sides of his mouth????

I know injustice when I see it. If you have any brains you can see a modern-day "rush to judgement". Its so easy to see what this is all about. You probably wont admit it but their is a serious secret motive Why don't you do a story on called, "GUILTY, in the eyes of the Media"....??? What is their motive???? I do support "due-process"......so leave them alone until they have their day in court!!! GIVE IT A REST Your opinion is just that...YOUR OPINION!!! and based on how you came up with that crap is beyond me....STOP LISTENING open up your brain, and stop being so closed minded. You obviously never fought "REAL CRIME" or you would never made such a statement. My guns stay loaded...... people who steal are losers. I don't care who it is. I have seen injustice and in some cases a 'rush' to justice. Those who were wrong will have to face their maker one day so I dont worry to much about things I cant control. See, in today's society, many people are judged in a courtroom of 'public opinion' quicker than an actual courthouse. This practice my friend, needs to stop! Why are you guys so blood-thirsty over this situation? You are acting like vultures flying over a dead dog. You are sick. who cares.....follow the law. some articles have a special spin on them to make the accused look more guilty than they really are.

COACH HAS SPOKEN

But he just keeps changing his tune

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

Wow. I think Coach got served. LOL. This is exactly what I was talking about. Not that he ever had any to speak of, but his low credibility rating just dropped to sub zero. Coach, you are clearly a racist and cannot see beyond skin color. How did that feel to have your own nonsensical drivel used to demonstrate how truly silly you make yourself appear in written print?

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bubbasmithredneck 2 years, 8 months ago

That post favors the Coach.....all he is asking is that you follow the law.....in both cases he is basically saying the same thing...follow the law.....you screwed yourself Jacob....

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CJ_Fan 2 years, 8 months ago

BUB what are you smoking? Coach just said

Zimmerman is Guilty as Hell and you know it.

but that was after he said

If you have any brains you can see a modern-day "rush to judgment". and in today's society, many people are judged in a courtroom of 'public opinion' quicker than an actual courthouse. This practice my friend, needs to stop!

Coach's earlier preaching ("rush to judgment" This practice my friend, needs to stop!) is in direct contrast with his stand as judge and jury now proclaiming (Zimmerman is Guilty as Hell) especially since he does NOT know ALL the facts. This loss of a young person is a sad situation and people like Coach proclaiming "Zimmerman is Guilty as Hell and you know it" is not doing anything but whipping up hate and does nothing to help prevent it from happening again.

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bubbasmithredneck 2 years, 8 months ago

But Zimmerman is "guilty as hell"....you cant go around killing people just because you think they are suspect. And, you guys did "rush to judgement" with all the negative stuff you wrote about those teachers.

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

to whom do you refer when you say "you guys"? And where you there when the tragedy took place? Otherwise, you are just repeating what you've been told by the media and the race baiting profiteers.

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tywebb 2 years, 8 months ago

that's what redneck does.....just repeats stuff. whenever coach "lays the smack down", bubba is there to let you know that coach just "layed the smack down". he doesn't EVER have a thought of his own. He's just a cheerleader for coach. woohoo!!!!!!

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Jacob 2 years, 8 months ago

Spot on, sir. I often pity the ignorant sheeple that drink the koolaid served up by the hate mongering profiteers that always tell the slow witted how to think and behave and then watch in amazement when they swallow it, hook line and sinker, yet again....

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