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Grand Jury indicts Riggins, Bakers

ALBANY, Ga. — A Dougherty County grand jury late Wednesday returned four indictments against Dougherty County School Board member Velvet Riggins: public record fraud, two counts of theft by taking, and providing false information to obtain free school meals for a child.

Morningside Elementary School Principal Gloria Jean Baker and her husband, John Chester Baker, were also indicted.

Gloria Baker was indicted on three counts of public record fraud, two counts of theft by taking and two counts of providing false information to obtain free school meals for a child.

John Baker was indicted on two counts of public record fraud, one count of theft by taking and two counts of providing false information to obtain free lunch for a child.

Riggins is facing two felony counts: theft by taking and public records fraud. Gloria Baker is facing three felony charges: two theft by taking charges and public records fraud. John Baker is facing two felony counts: theft by taking and pubic records fraud.

All three were indicted on one misdemeanor count of providing false information to obtain free school meals for a child.

The indictments came down late Wednesday afternoon but were not released until early Thursday morning. They were signed Thursday by a Superior Court judge.

DCSS Superintendent Joshua Murfree did not respond to a request for comment. BOE Chairman James Bush expressed surprise at the felony counts against both women, but said that the legal system would take its course.

"I'm a former law enforcement officer, and I think the cases should be tried in court and a jury will decide their guilt or innocence," Bush said. "All I know about the cases is what I have read in the paper. Let's let a jury of their peers render judgment."

The cases were presented to the grand jury by South Georgia judicial Circuit District Attorney Joe Mulholland, who was appointed after Dougherty District Attorney Greg Edwards recused himself because he personally knew the parties involved.

Riggins was originally accused in December of last year of two counts of falsifying free and reduced school lunch applications and one felony count of offense by a public official. The Bakers were originally charged with three counts each of falsifying free lunch applications.

Riggins, the membership manager for the local South Georgia Girl Scouts, has been a BOE member since 2008 and is up for re-election this year.

Baker has been with the school system since 1980 and was promoted to assistant principal in 1993. She was promoted to principal at Albany Middle School in 2004 and was assigned to Morningside last year.

The indictments could herald the beginning of more trouble for Riggins. Mullholland said late Thursday that he was preparing to send a report to Gov. Nathan Deal today. The governor has the option of forming an administrative tribunal consisting of State Attorney General Sam Olens and two of Riggins' peers — in this case school board members from other school districts — who will review her case and forward a nonbinding recommendation to Deal.

The governor then has the option of removing her from office until the charges are resolved.

Documents obtained by The Herald from the Dougherty County School System earlier this year show roughly 81 percent of the 16,000 students in the school system are in the free or reduced-fee lunch program.

According to the application for free or reduced lunches, anyone who receives benefits from other USDA programs like SNAP or TANF are eligible for the program, as are most foster children. Children can get free meals if “your household’s gross income is within the free limits on the federal income guidelines.”

U.S. Department of Agriculture income eligibility guidelines adopted in July of last year state that for a household of three, the income cap is $24,089 per year before taxes.

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VSU 2 years, 4 months ago

Velvet Riggins and her attorney Brimberry seemed confident last night. Velvet must have had a few friends on the grand jury that nobody knows about.

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VSU 2 years, 4 months ago

With that being said, I guess their show of confidence was just that...a show. Course this doesn't mean she will be found guilty, but it's a start.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

That's what "legal representation has become all too often.....showboating and posturing to the media. And we could add........INCITING those sympathetic to the perpetrator.

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VSU 2 years, 4 months ago

Last night on the news, Brimberry said it was a good sign that his client did not have to appear before the Grand Jury. Ha! Ha! They probably felt they didn't need to listen to her B.S. and figured they had enough to indict her.

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TheBoss 2 years, 4 months ago

Wow, there maybe Justice in Albany again.

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MRKIA 2 years, 4 months ago

DUE PROCESS AT IT'S FINEST. OK DOCO LET'S SET AN EXAMPLE HERE IF FOUND GUILTY. MAKE FOLKS FEAR TAKING A CHANCE.

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 4 months ago

I bet she will still sit on the Board and vote on things she has no business voting on. "Indictment" is not "Conviction".

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KaosinAlbany 2 years, 4 months ago

The Governor can legally remove her temporarily until the case is settled. This is going to be very interesting.

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MRKIA 2 years, 4 months ago

WHERE ARE THE DCSS CHEERLEADERS NOW?

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straightface 2 years, 4 months ago

I cant wait until some of you start reaping what you have sowed..

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Albanite 2 years, 4 months ago

At the very least, Riggins should step down from the school board. As long as she refuses to leave, we'll know that she cannot distinguish between right and wrong.

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KaosinAlbany 2 years, 4 months ago

She is up for re-election this year.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

I predict a landslide victory for her........unless she is convicted of a felony....and even if she was.....she would still be elected overwhelmingly by her "constituency"......except that as a convicted felon she will be ineligible to run for office or to even vote. The Rule of Law.

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KaosinAlbany 2 years, 4 months ago

Her brother just ran for office and he is a convicted felon and was caught with his crime when he held office. So she can still run just not vote if she is convicted of a felony.

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agonized 2 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for bringing that up, Kaos. Her sister was also the subject of a GBI Investigation because she was "misusing" funds of the church where her father was a pastor at one time. I think she was the clerk of the church or something similar. Charges were brought and she lost her job with the County (after a lengthy period of leave with pay). Commissioner Edwards who I think is running for state rep. now is their mother.

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KaosinAlbany 2 years, 4 months ago

Didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Sounds like her kids are going to drag her down in the election. If I was her I would drop out because the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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stc1993 2 years, 4 months ago

I could be wrong but I think you have to complete your sentence if you are convicted of a felony. After that you can petition to have your rights restored. I know you can vote but I don't know about holding public office.

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VSU 2 years, 4 months ago

I know what Da Corch is thinking....."This ain't right"

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TheBoss 2 years, 4 months ago

Wonder if Baker will get one of those "Non-renewal letters" from Murfree?

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

I wonder if ANYONE will get one of those "Non-renewal letters" from Murfree!! I'm beginning to have my doubts.........my Faith is waning!! Lord Help Us!!

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straightface 2 years, 4 months ago

No they want get non renewal notices. the school system cant afford to pay for the tribunals and they dont have any evidence against them. Sry!

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Sally_O 2 years, 4 months ago

You must be #34 in disguise!

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 4 months ago

Another one? I thought bubbavet rureel was...

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Sally_O 2 years, 4 months ago

I know, but I figured he was busted so he was gonna try being someone else.

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tywebb 2 years, 4 months ago

no evidence? is that why some have already been let go and others have retired? the evidence is what is pushing this forward. sorry for you that you got busted

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stc1993 2 years, 4 months ago

That's what I was thinking Ty, they got plenty of evidence or they wouldn't of charged them.

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straightface 2 years, 4 months ago

none have been let go. thats just what you have been told. and the ones that retired were going to retire this year anyway.

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Somebody 2 years, 4 months ago

Well it's like they say, get them before they get you.

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tywebb 2 years, 4 months ago

paras were let go. and how do you know they were going to retire anyway? maybe that's just what you've been told

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FryarTuk 2 years, 4 months ago

Grand job by the Grand Jury. Hopefully, the crooks will get the message that it is in the children's and everybody's best interest to re-shape the school board and school programs in Dougherty. The Governor needs to move swiftly to suspend Ms. Riggins so the re-development process of the school board can move forward.

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Outtahere 2 years, 4 months ago

This is good to know. I hope that justice is served!

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waltspecht 2 years, 4 months ago

No matter what the outcome, and legal maneuvering, they all knew what they were doing had to be wrong and chose to do it anyway. I guess they saw everyone else getting away with it, and decided they could also.

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Clif 2 years, 4 months ago

.......two classes of people, the caught and the uncaught......surely there are others doing the same.....Riggins & cohorts make up the caught....

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FryarTuk 2 years, 4 months ago

Oh no! No! There are good people in public service who are not self serving. David Masche is one. Carol Fullerton another. A couple on the Dougherty Co Commission. Not all people stay fallen.

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straightface 2 years, 4 months ago

David Masche oh okay guess he is good people too huh?! yeah right..look a little further.. guess thats why he is not seeking re-election too.. got run before they catch me 2.

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Somebody 2 years, 4 months ago

David Maschke was the only one on there that had any common sense. If I had to work with those clowns I would not seek re-election either.

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tywebb 2 years, 4 months ago

step 1 - find out the wrong doers - check.
step 2 - indict the wrong doers - check.
step 3 - convict the wrong doers - not yet.
step 4 - fire the wrong doers - not yet.
of course, steps 3 & 4 can be switched. We're halfway there, people

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Justice4Moma 2 years, 4 months ago

I am very proud of the Grand Jury.See you can fool some of the people some of the time,but you cant fool all the people all the time.We need some of the Grand Jury to run this town.Or atleast get most of the people doing wrong in front of a Jury.We have good honest people here,and they are really tired of all people getting away with to much.It is time to clean house.Thank you Grand Jury,for giving us a little faith back in our Legal System.God Bless.

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Albanite 2 years, 4 months ago

My children want to know how someone can be indicted for multiple counts of defrauding the school system and yet still sit on the school board? Perhaps the Herald can present that question to Mr. Maschke - like they should have done BEFORE this story was published.

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Terry.Lewis 2 years, 4 months ago

Because of a little thing called "due process." We don't live in China. the DA’s office will send a report to the governor and if he chooses, he has the power to impanel a tribunal consisting of State Attorney General Sam Olens and two of Riggins’ peers — in this case, two school board members from different districts. The tribunal would review the case, then make a non-binding recommendation to the governor, who could remove Riggins from office until the case is resolved. Tell this to your children.

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tywebb 2 years, 4 months ago

this is called a teachable moment. you could explain that if it were an honest mistake (poor mathematicians), these people might resign because they ended up committing a crime. BUT because they did it on purpose (fraud), they have already shown to not have the ethics or morals needed to step down on their own.

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Kay523 2 years, 4 months ago

there must be someone on the south and east side of Albany who will step up and run for the seat presently occupied by Ms. Riggins - call your friends and encourage them to run

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KaosinAlbany 2 years, 4 months ago

I agree! She needs to be challenged.

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

I would like to know how this behavior ends up on the list of things 'to do today'? You couldn't make your kids a PB & J sandwich? You had to take food out of some other DESERVING kid's mouth? Scumbag.

Where did they learn that fraud was a choice?

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Clif 2 years, 4 months ago

Probably a family tradition.........

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Settle down folks, getting indicted is just one side of the story - being told, in fact scholars claim you can indict a ham sandwich.

Due process is the opportunity to face your accussers, get material dismmissed, and to look at any constitutional violations, 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 14th and others that apply.

Manyyyyyyyyyyyyy have been indicted, but few have been convicted.

Lesson 1

Now can we be friends? This case could take years to end.

Slow down, give your fingers a break, ask yourself, what can I do to make things better.

Bubbavet_rureel

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Somebody 2 years, 4 months ago

I don't know, but we know what you could do to make things better.....

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MRKIA 2 years, 4 months ago

ARE THESE SCHOLARS ASU GRADS?

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FryarTuk 2 years, 4 months ago

What does that matter? There are good folks from ASU.

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Amazed2 2 years, 4 months ago

Guess this is how you can afford to live in one of the nicest houses in the NW neighborhood in a gated multi-acre property (electric gates) have a swimming pool, super nice horse stables and horses to boot, expensive diesel dually truck. Guess horse feed cost so much they cannot afford to feed the children. So lets buy feed for the horses and let the taxpayer buy my kid lunch. Amazed!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MRKIA 2 years, 4 months ago

BUBBA SPEAKS AS THOUGH THE EXPECTATION IS FOR THESE DEFENDANTS TO BE EXONERATED DUE TO INSUFFICENT EVIDENCE OR LACK OF PROSECUTION. THE STATES ATTORNEY FROM THE BAINBRIDGE DISTRICT IS NO PUSHOVER SO EXPECT A PLEA AGREEMENT. THE LUNCH FORMS WERE SIGNED BY THE DEFENDANTS KNOWING FULL WELL THEY DID NOT QUALIFY. DUE PROCESS? MORE LIKE THEY ARE DUE TO GO THRU THE PROCESS. PETTY CHEAPSKATE RIP-OFF ARTISTS.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 4 months ago

I hope you guys are happy now....GEEZ.......

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FryarTuk 2 years, 4 months ago

Very happy! Let's continue the process of winnowing the chaff.

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stc1993 2 years, 4 months ago

I'll feel better when she is convicted & fired & has to pay restitution for all the money she & her husband stole from us, along with a hefty fine to discourage others from doing this.

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VSU 2 years, 4 months ago

You sound disappointed coach!

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tywebb 2 years, 4 months ago

kinda like you, when zimmerman got arrested and charged! just looking for justice and this is the second step towards that. And I am NOT comparing someone being killed vs. fraud. just comparing how people are feeling about perceived justice

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Full lunch is $1.50 a week x 36 weeks = $54.00 a year, come on guys, where is your logic, your comments Amazed2, should really be amazed now.

They crucified him, he understands, seek him and treat others the way you would like to be treated.

can we be friends?

Bubbavet_rureel

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Terry.Lewis 2 years, 4 months ago

Your numbers are incorrect. It's $1.50 per day for middle and high school students; $1.25 per day for elementary school students.

And free? Well, those cost the students nothing.

If you are going to gripe at least get the numbers right.

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SMHgain 2 years, 4 months ago

according to your calculations that is all the more reason to be angry and appalled at these individuals. if you are willing to risk your job, reputation, and freedom for such a small amount of money what else are they lying about?

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Amazed2 2 years, 4 months ago

Well I guess the last time I bought hay for a horse was 2008 and it was about $6 t0 $7.50 per bale then. Sounds like a weeks worth of lunch for a persons own child cost about what one bale of decent horse hay cost. I guess with all those horses at the gated dougherty county estate that one of these people owns they cannot afford to buy human food for lunches so they applied for assistance.

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FryarTuk 2 years, 4 months ago

So, James Bush is a law and order man. Good to know.

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Continued: You see what happens when a honest mistake is made,

$1.25 x 180 days = $225.00

$1.50 x 180 days = $ 270.00

Now check over those high numbers, do the math, these numbers are fact not fiction.

Bubbavet_rureel

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mr_nobody 2 years, 4 months ago

Principles like honesty, accountability, and those in leadership being held to a higher standard don't apply if it doesn't cost more than a couple hundred bucks heh?

Glad my son will not be in DCSS if this is the attitude of supporters and staff. I don't want my son around it, since I'm teaching him honesty, accountability, and setting the bar high to be an example to others. If you make a mistake, own up to it and deal with the consequences. I have a hard time believing that leaders in EDUCATION aren't educated enough to be able to count their income properly and fill out a form correctly. If they can't, they have no place in education's leadership.

For that matter, if a similar mentality shows up in the school/school system he happens to be in, my son won't be there either. I'll be glad to pony up and pay for his education to ensure he's given proper role models and be taught the things I value.

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Amazed2 2 years, 4 months ago

Bubba, a bale of horse hay cost $7.50 per bale. How can these people be buying horse hay and feed for several horses and not able to afford feeding lunch to their own child??????????????

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TheBoss 2 years, 4 months ago

Guess we can accuse Terry Lewis of "prompting" Bubbavet_rureel on the math portion of the test. Shame on you Terry, you are a cheater by making Bubbavet_rureel look smarter than he really is.

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straightface 2 years, 4 months ago

now thats a good one! cause thats surely why they are prompters..

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dingleberry 2 years, 4 months ago

Let'snot lose sight of the fact that the two indicted are not the only ones working the system. There are plenty more locally who work within and beyond the school system and nationwide things are no different. Add them all together and it is big money. But the biggest issue to me is what people will resort to to get the "free" gov't money--no problem with rationalizing fraud. And let's not forget those in positions of power--all the way through the Congress--who choose to take a "see no evil" approach and let the fraud continue unabated..

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OU812 2 years, 4 months ago

Fraud is fraud. Theft is theft. The dollar amount has no bearing on this case. The problem is that the leadership of DCSS has shown a significant decline in morality ove the last few years. It is embarassing to have to tell people that I live in Albany. The news from here daily points to the fact that political "power" is too much for some people to handle. Corruption is the outcome.

I really hope and pray that the people of Albany will one day wake up to the true state of affairs in the leadership of "The Good Life City" and vote the bums out!! (But I also hope that I win the lottery!!! Think I have about the same chance of either coming true!)

Riggins, Baker, and Baker DESERVE what they get.

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G_Michael 2 years, 4 months ago

What do we want?  JUSTICE!! When do we want it? WE WANT IT NOW!!  

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VietVet1 2 years, 4 months ago

Indicted Dougherty County School Board member Velvet Riggins is now suspended from her job as Membership Manager for the Albany Girl Scouts Council. LOL what a roll model

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jglass 2 years, 4 months ago

I wish the Albany Herald would give the update about Riggins being suspended from her job with the Girl Scouts. WALB always fails to give details!!!!!

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 4 months ago

It's Friday afternoon... everyone got off early...

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jglass 2 years, 4 months ago

Shinedownfan.......too funny, but probably true!!!

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

It feels good to be among you perfect people, I guess you have always been perfect. God is wacthing over us, he know our thoughts and heart. It seems that some are glad that this family is going through a mid-night situation, but I say to them, hold on because joy comes in the morning.

What you plant, will come to harvest, you know what you're planting and God knows what you are planting.

Can we be friends?

Bubbavet_rureel

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

B_r.....just what do you believe about this situation as it relates to guilt or innocence and intent of Ms. Riggins and Ms. Baker? Please take a break from mindlessly defending them and tell us what you think happened and what were they thinking? Please be our friend and tell us. If you can't or won't do that.......you cannot be my friend because friendship has to be earned, not just handed out like lollipops at the bank.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 4 months ago

be careful what you ask for Bubba.........Sister Ruby as a friend???? Woooooooo, good luck with that.......lol

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Bubbavet_rureel1 minute ago

Niccollo Machiavelli, Thomas Hobbes, and John Locke has defined the answer to your questions, they have simular opinions on philosophical, moral, and religious perspectives.

Machiavelli (Realist) expect goverment to keep us civil, and believing you must do what it takes to get and keep power.

Hobbes,(Liberator) expect the people to allow government to agree to keep us civil.

locke, expect government to be limited.

Let's be real, people make bad choices all the time, you have made some, and maybe I have made some. We must slow down and stop participating in destructing people lives, Baker and Riggins have children and family that love them. We need to express ourselves, however, we should refraim from treating people like trash. You may feel that people are in different classes, however, we are on this planet together, and we must work to respect each other.

The Judicial system is fair and impartial, they will give each person due process, my opinion is, if a mistake has been made, learn from it and move on, each person has talents that can benifit this community, we must embrace them and keep moving. Taking people Jobs is not the answer. If you made a mistake, would you want the public to tear you apart. They call it a anarcy (mob) approach.

I voice my opinion because I trully care for each opinion, I may not agree with most of them, but I respect them. We have fun and we get after each other, however, at the end of the day these people have children who are depending on them. We need to support second chances, not one strike you're out.

Since we are friends Sister_Ruby I will defend you also.

Can we be friends? Can you do that.

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Coach you guess Sister will send me a positive response back?

I feel Sister has a positive side, we are friends now -smile!

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

Looking for an answer to my question in your epistle.....is it correct to summarize it that Riggins/Baker "made a bad choice". This still sounds too mealy-mouth and weak to me. I get all the rest of your commentary about their families, etc. And your philosophy lesson was over my head.

But to get to the heart of the matter.....elaborate on "bad choice". Yesterday I was driving and I came to a place where I did not know whether to turn right or left and I turned right but should have gone left to get me to my destination. That was a simple mistake, a bad choice which could be corrected by turning around. There was no ethical or moral delimma. I did not break a promise or lie to anyone. I simply made a choice among two totally equal paths. Not the same thing as the Riggins/Baker situation at all!

Is the decision to lie and take what you are not entitled to (there's that word again!) the same as my "bad choice"? NO! Is that the same as an immoral and unethical decision to steal? YES! Did they consciously KNOW what they were doing was stealing and was wrong, unethical, and immoral (not to mention breaking God's law)? YES!

But my original question to you (still unanswered and therefore our friendship remains in limbo.....) is "what were they thinking? What was their intent? Question still unanswered.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 4 months ago

What makes you think Bubba knows "what were they thinking?" He cant get inside their head. He cannot speak for them. Why ask such a stupid question wen you know he cannot truthfully give a correct response. Ask Riggins/Baker yourself that same question.....

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Sister listen to Coach, Sister what is your educational level? We might not be on the same level.

We can still be friends!

Are you feeling me?

BVReel

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

Happy to have found something we can agree on. No, we are definitely not on the same educational level. Since you and coach refuse to snitch, we'll have to just wait and see. I hope you will both be happy with the verdict. All I pray to Almighty God for is the Truth to Come and the Judgment Appropriate.

Have a nice week and enjoy your self-imposed insulation from reality, both of you.

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Lesson on the verdict:

  1. One side wins, and one side loose.
  2. One side is happy and one side is happy.
  3. Some cases take days, weeks, months, and years.
  4. People with nothing to do will be waiting.
  5. Busy people like me will be traveling.
  6. Sister_Ruby fingers and brain will get tired of speculating.
  7. Some cases are not prosecuted.
  8. Some cases are pleaded.
  9. Wait Sister wait - 1, 2, 5, maybe 10 years.
  10. To be continued - smile Coach.

Note: The reason why the gas prices are high is because of the oil companies speculation.

Sister_Ruby - I enjoy teaching you, the next lesson will be on being positive. Dont let Coach get under your skin, he's using what he learned in psychology 1101. Sister he's working on your equilibrium.

Teacher will be back soon, Can you be my friend?

Bubbavet_rureel

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Sister, where is your help this evening, maybe they learned in Church today, that being negative was against the principles of God.

The sermon should be wearing off right about now! let's wait and see, maybe they will say something whlie we are waiting on what Sister say will be a favorable verdict.

Free my friends, treat them equal, fair, with respect, love, and happiness.

Can we be friends? can you do thst?

Bubbavet_rureel

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 4 months ago

Hey Bubba....Dont tell her all my secrets....she might actually figure something out....lol......

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MRKIA 2 years, 4 months ago

ALL THE POSTURING AND TONGUE- WRESTING WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACTUAL BASIS FOR THE CHARGES AGAINST BAKER AND RIGGINS. THEY TOOK A GAMBLE AND APPLIED FOR A PROGRAM THEY WERE APPARENTLY OVERQUALIFED FOR, THEY WERE REPORTED BY A WHISTLE-BLOWER AND NOW IT'S TIME TO PAY THE PIPER. THEIR SIGNATURES AND THEIR TRUE FINANCIAL STATUS IS BASICALLY ALL THE STATE NEEDS TO MAKE THEIR CASE. EITHER THEY QUALIFED OR THEY DIDN'T. READ MY LIPS: COP A PLEA.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 4 months ago

I agree......open and shut case......just save face and run ....YOU ARE BUSTED!

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

If I agree, I'm disregarding my position on the following:

  1. Good people are arrested all the time.
  2. A Ham sandwich can get indicted.
  3. Innocent until proven guilty, including pleaing.
  4. There are four sides to a story, (1) Accussor, (2) Accussed, (3) Truth, and (4) Sister & MRKIA side.
  5. Listening at MRKIA there is no need for justice, he has already came up with a verdict.
  6. To be continued......
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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

It's spelled "accuser" and "accused". The only time it's "A Cuss" is when I read the dumb things you write and I utter an involuntary profanity.

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MRKIA 2 years, 4 months ago

RE: BUBBA_VET, PLYING US WITH POPULAR CLICHES WILL NOT CHANGE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION BUT HERE'S MY TAKE ON YOUR POSITIONS: 1. TRUE, GOOD PEOPLE ARE ARRESTED ALL THE TIME BUT DON'T CONFUSE GOOD WITH INNOCENCE. CHURCHGOERS, JUDGES, SYMPHONY CONDUCTORS ARE ARRESTED JUST LIKE GANG MEMBERS BUT ALL ARRESTS REQUIRE A FACTUAL BASIS OR PROBABLE CAUSE. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? 2. IF A HAM SANDWICH IS ACCUSED OF SOME OFFENSE IT SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SAME CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION AS A HUMAN. HAM SANDWICHS NEVER COMMIT CRIMES THOUGH, THEY KNOW THEY BE EATEN ALIVE IN JAIL. YOUR POINT? 3. PEOPLE CAUGHT RED-HANDED, ON VIDEO, WITH DNA EVIDENCE AND WRITTEN CONFESSIONS ARE STILL INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. YOUR POINT? 4. THERE ARE AS MANY SIDES AS THERE ARE PEOPLE, YOU CAN EVEN MAKE UP AS MANY AS YOU WANT IN YOUR HEAD. YOU NAMED 3 STORIES, THE TRUTH IS WHAT IT IS. YOUR POINT? 5. I'M ONLY PREDICTING AN OUTCOME AND I'LL STAND ON IT TO COMPLETION. 6.POINT?.... SET.....

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years, 4 months ago

Sister, thank you for correcting my spelling, that's what friends are suppose to do. Slow down guys, the wheels of justice turns very slow, once you here both sides of the story, along with looking at the evidence, then you can make a informed decission.

Sister, focus on the facts and not my spelling, focus on the issues and not the race of the Accussed or is it accused, focus on being open to the idea of being positive.

MRKIA, focus on typing correctly, focus on respecting others point, focus on waiting patiently for the outcome, focus on being positive.

Finally, both of you focus on being my friend, can yall do that?

Bubbavet_rureel

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