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Squawk of the day - August 9, 2012

"The only hate and intolerance I see is from the pro-gay movement calling Christians, who are not judging but just expressing their opinion, haters. They don't hate you. They hate what they believe is sin."

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AlbanyIsTooDarkDuringTheDay 2 years, 3 months ago

I think you might be a little bitter if Christians thought being heterosexual was a sin and that with enough prayer you could change. Think about what they are going through. What if the shoe were on the other foot and you were in their situation.

What if Christians made it a bigger deal to condone premarital sex? I think considering most of them partook in this when they were younger they do not make a big deal about it.

According to the good book, aside from blasphemy, a sin is a sin. Blasphemy > All other sin.

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

If you love the sinners, afford them the same marriage rights as the 'non-sinners'. Proponents of equality do not want to overturn religious beliefs or practices; the argument, at its base, seems to be an economic one. Tax and health care benefits would be nice.

I think that the majority of homosexuals who want to marry but who belong to a restrictive congregation know that they will never be accepted (loved) there; they keep it quiet and deal or leave.

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chinaberry25 2 years, 3 months ago

What do you not understand, the Bible states homosexual is a sin. It does not even address the word marriage because it states and man and a woman shall marry rather than burn in hell. No where does it mention man and man or woman and woman. It does address it in other places in the Bible in a VERY negative way. Christians are not going to be convinced by any argument because they answer to a higher power. It is God's place to judge them and he will. As far as marriage goes, I still believe in the secular definition of marriage as most of the USA does. The only thing that marriage does is legally add the lesser spouse the have rights to the dominant ones estate and alimony in case it ends. It is all about money, not love.

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

I understand completely about following the biblical threats; however, why are the other biblical threats not followed? Why does the American Christian bloc pick only the scripture that supports their cause of the day?

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PatrickY2K 2 years, 3 months ago

Why is the Bible dictating law when the Constitution clearly states that it shouldn't? Why are people quoting the Bill of Rights when they want to speak their minds, or own a gun, but pitch a fit when people make choices in "the land of the free" that differ from their own?

If you don't want to marry someone of the same sex, then don't, but don't claim to be an expert on homosexuality, or prevent others from marrying the person they love.

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PatrickY2K 2 years, 3 months ago

The Squawker doesn't see funding lobbyists to prevent pro-gay legislation as intolerance? Preventing others from living their lifestyle (one that does not affect others) is judging and intolerant.

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Jimboob 2 years, 3 months ago

Actually that is not what the Bible says about homosexuality. Adultery is a much bigger sin, one of the big 10, if you will, and I don't see many campaigns going on about it. Maybe it hits too close to home?

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waltspecht 2 years, 3 months ago

It is all economics and recognition. Marriage carries with it many benefits that should be available to all Citizens, Married or not. Just look at the tax advantages gained thru marriage and children. This was OK when the Country was attempting to increase population, but now we are overpopulated compared to the available jobs. We shouldn't be subsidizing large families just due to numbers. We need across the board fair treatment in benefits and taxes. Marriage shouldn't have anything to do with it.

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USTPC 2 years, 3 months ago

I partially agree. Instead of changing the definition of marriage change the tax laws so that whether you are single or married with no kids then the tax rate is equivalent. I disagree that there should not be a tax break for children. As far as health benefits, well that should be left up to each individual company to decide what to offer. If you are the Muppets Corporation and want to offer the benefits to same sex couples then do so but if you are Chik-fil-a and do not want to that should be fine too.

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1d2ec 2 years, 3 months ago

Maybe our over population is the results of illegal immigration and out of wedlock births not large families. Young out of wedlock births get assistance a family can only hope to get.

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RedEric 2 years, 3 months ago

How can it be a sin when they were born that way? Do you think they chose to be prosecuted, persecuted and shunned? Bible thumpers adhere to the Torah because it has all of the rules, threats and hate, but they then believe God is infallible. Most Gay people are born, not a choice. However, that being said, I am against the government getting involved. Civil unions would financially protect each partner. Government changing the legal definition of marriage would open it up to every combination you could think of.

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LuLu 2 years, 3 months ago

Born that way, my butt. Of all the (millions?) people who are gay today, why weren't there that many fifty years ago? A hundred years ago? Two hundred? They were not BORN that way, but raised that way. Liberal Hollywood and music these days, with NO boundaries and NO morals cause today's "gayness".

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LuLu 2 years, 3 months ago

And add to that the decay of the traditional family. So many children -- especially boys -- are raised these days without a strong male influence in their lives. Just yesterday I watched a video shot up at Harvard and some of the boys in it were anything but manly. If you have a boy, raise him to be a man. If you have a girl, raise her to be a young lady.

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

This is the best one, LuLu! Do you realize what you are writing? If they are not born that way, then, like you write STRAIGHT PARENTS are raising and creating GAY CHILDREN? How does that work?

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 2 years, 3 months ago

LuLu, your ignorance is showing. Homosexuality has been around for a long time. Much like our population is larger than it was 50, 100, and 200 years ago so has the gay population as well. Whether or not you believe it, homosexuals have been around seen Biblical times. How about you read 1 and 2 Samuel and really read about the relationship between David and Jonathan. You obviously don't know any homosexuals personally. They aren't how they are portrayed in movies, rather they are like everyone else. They are just attracted to members of there own sex. Heck, J Edgar Hoover was homosexual. Do you think he was influenced by the liberal media. I would think not, seeing as he was the director of the FBI back when being gay was not cool. I personally know quite a few homosexuals and they were truly born gay. It is not glamorous to be gay, especially here in the South. No one would bring that on oneself and be openly gay if they were not. Many were kicked out of the house by their parents. You viewing them as second-class citizens is the same as your parents viewing blacks as second class, or your great grandparents thinking it was acceptable to not allow women to vote.

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RedEric 2 years, 3 months ago

Calm down. Let's talk about Greeks, classical Greeks, especially Spartans, Ceasar on campaign played with the boys. English all male schools. History is filled with references to homosexuality. I don't know about your numbers and you are blaming groups I suspect you got your information on Sunday.

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LuLu 2 years, 3 months ago

I don't care about ancient Greeks or boys' schools. All I care about is the here and now. In my lifetime, American society has deteriorated to where I don't even recognize it anymore. It's like we no longer live in the good old US of A, but in some weird kind of alternate universe. I don't like it and it scares me. The blame lies in several places, but in my opinion "ground zero", so to speak, was the hippie movement of the 60's, and the ensuing sexual revolution ushered in by Hollywood and the liberal media, and furthered by MTV and reality TV. It's so prevalent now that some in today's younger generation see it as acceptable, and that scares the daylights out of me. Call me an old fuddy-duddy if you wish. I really don't care. But there is no way you will ever convince me that homosexuality is natural or genetic or congenital. It is a choice made either by the individual, or a result of the perverted and irresponsible way the individual was raised by his or her parents.

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billybob 2 years, 3 months ago

Oh the irony of saying "all I care about is the here and now" while at the same time choosing to live your life based on a 1500-year-old collection of books.

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LuLu 2 years, 3 months ago

As I told you yesterday, I know very little about the Bible. The way I choose to live my life is by my own personal life experiences and good old common sense.

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

How much room do you have in your little world?

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Sapphireblue959 2 years, 3 months ago

Sorry, they were not born gay; God made man upright and in His image. They choose this lifestyle. Please stop lying on God. Read Romans 1:20-32; it is speaking against homosexuality.

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

Please stop drinking the Kool-aid. Oh, and if god made man in his own image, then god was a hermaphrodite in order to create woman.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 2 years, 3 months ago

How many homosexuals do you know, Sapphireblue959?

My guess, 0.

You are extremely ignorant to say that people cannot be born gay. They most certainly can.

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

LuLu, there were that many 50 years ago but were pressured to keep it quiet. For famous people, try Rock Hudson, Raymond Burr, Bayard Rustin, Little Richard, Liberace, all around 50 years ago.

Biology causes sexuality; you are born heterosexual or homosexual.

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guardian 2 years, 3 months ago

Liberace was gay? Who knew???

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FlunkyMonkey 2 years, 3 months ago

So, what you are saying in replies to this squawk, is YOU have the right to express AND support your decision but Christians are NOT afforded that right. I was not aware that freedom of speech and religion was not extended to Christians. Hmmmmmmmmm

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billybob 2 years, 3 months ago

I haven't read that in any of the comments. Which one said Christians aren't entitled to express their opinions? Do you really think Christians don't have a right to freedom of speech and religion? There is a church on every other corner of this town. Many of them have televised programs to broadcast their free speech. One even makes movies for nationwide distribution. These are good things as they demonstrate the freedom to believe and say what you want despite the fact that I personally disagree with the message. So you'll have to explain to me how freedom of speech and religion are not extended to Christians. The overwhelming evidence seems to indicate the opposite is true.

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bigbob 2 years, 3 months ago

This country is 90% Christians so all we have to do is decide to take our country back. Its time to stand up against all these small groups of people the dumb a$$ liberals support. Put prayer & the Pledge back in school for a start.

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PatrickY2K 2 years, 3 months ago

You shouldn't use made-up facts to support an argument. Sorry, only 75% of the country is Christian...15% claims no religious affliation.

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

Nope, 75% Christian. Of those, 1/4 are Catholic and 3/4 Baptist. How the hell did the US become the CHRISTIAN'S country? Don't answer majority; lots of things would be different if "majority won".

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LuLu 2 years, 3 months ago

The Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, etc. might beg to differ with you on your numbers...

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

Oops, my error. 3/4 are protestant with 50% of those being baptist. Yhe remaining 50% are made up of other denominations. I apologize for my error.

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jglass 2 years, 3 months ago

Squawker, I agree with you. The person is not hated, it is the sin. Over my life time I have known several gay people..................wonderful people, I really liked/like them, however I do not like nor agree with their lifestyle.

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agirl_25 2 years, 3 months ago

Are you still their friend......are you still comfortable with them...do you go in to their home, do activities with them....participate in family type get togethers? Do you actually go out to public places with them, if they are in fact wonderful people or do you mean you know them in passing? I ask this because I have known one but only "after the fact" because of my husband's career. Being in the military we never were in one place very long and once after living in middle Georgia for 13 months we moved and I was told that a very nice young French lady I had come to know and became very fond of thru our Wive's Club was in fact the lesbian wife of one of the young officers. Imagine my surprise when I was told. Imagine how he felt and his devastation. Yes she was wonderful (but in this case dishonest with her new husband) and she truly was liked by all and a great asset to our group but sad to say it was the late 60's and a time when neither the military nor the times were ready for such a shocking admission. I don't care if a person is gay or straight.....I care for a human being...she was my friend...I just wish she had been honest. I would not know a gay from a straight person if I tripped over one in the street. When I worked as a nurse I treated gays and straights alike and it never made any difference to me..I treated gays with AIDS and those with HIV and it never made me treat them any different either. They were all human beings. Believe it or not they all die the same in the end and for those of you who do believe, there are those among the gay community who believe too and guess what......when they die I think they go to the same place that you go to because they close their eyes and seem to be at peace with their God when they do. Just sayin.........

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billybob 2 years, 3 months ago

Might does not make right. I don't think there are many people here who would say the sharia law enforced in Muslim countries is right, but in those countries the majority believe in sharia law. That doesn't make it right to mutilate the genitals of females. That doesn't make it right to cut off the hand of a man caught stealing. That doesn't make it right to behead someone for converting to a religion other than Islam and renouncing Allah. In this country, just because followers of a widely practiced religion, Christianity, think homosexual marriage is wrong based on their holy book, doesn't mean that belief should deny homosexuals the freedom to marry. Might does not make right. Christians have the right to believe in and worship their god. They have the right to say they think same sex marriage is wrong. And they should have those rights. That's what freedom is all about. At the same time, homosexuals should have the right to marry, even if it offends some religious groups. That's also what real freedom it about.

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tywebb 2 years, 3 months ago

actually, cutting the hand off of someone caught stealing is a great idea!

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billybob 2 years, 3 months ago

Is that really a society you want to live in? Let's maim someone for life because they commited a petty crime! While we're at it let's stone adulterers! Better yet, we could bring back the stocks in the town square so criminals could be beaten and spit on by passersby!

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bigbob 2 years, 3 months ago

Bet they don't have theft problem. Maybe Albany should do that that would take care of these thieves. Of course half the people in Albany wouldn't have hands.

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billybob 2 years, 3 months ago

You're probably right. I would imagine they don't have an adultery problem either as it is punishable by 100 lashes under sharia law if one is unmarried. If one is married, it is punishable by death by stoning. But, hey, who are we to judge? That's what their religion teaches and they're only ensuring their civil laws comply with their religious teaching, so it's okay, right?

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FryarTuk 2 years, 3 months ago

In the words of the inimitable unsocialized sociologist, "Hrammm, can't we all just get along?"

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 3 months ago

Hello? Is there anything else out there that needs attention???

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willie 2 years, 3 months ago

Yes, who was the original author of the bible you all hold so dearly. Was it God or his son Jesus or someone or a group of persons putting in print the "exact" words or "their interpreation" of the words spoken by jesus.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 3 months ago

The writers were used by God as His ambassadors. He breathed and they wrote. God used 40 authors over a period of 1,500 years to write 66 different books that are uncanny in their unified message. Nothing else like it in history.

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billybob 2 years, 3 months ago

If it was "breathed" by god, why does it contain factual errors? If the books are "uncanny in their unified message" why does it contradict itself it many, many places? Why was the Infancy Gospel of Thomas not included? The Gospel of Judas? The Gospel of Mary?

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 3 months ago

billybob: "Your great learning is driving you mad!"

"When the Perfect comes, the Partial will be done away."

Nothing else like it in history.

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

Hi Sister, yes, why is a sporting event getting more airplay than landing a vehicle on Mars? We have made significant progress in space studies which requires an intelligent employee base, and could be a good base to spur studies, but we are bombarded with athletic events. Fitness is fine and should be exalted but running a 4 minute mile is far less appealing than landing a several ton machine on to a planet several million miles away!

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 3 months ago

And why do girls in teeny weeny bikinis playing a sport that should not even be considered an "olympic" sport get one fourth of the prime time air time?

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erudite 2 years, 3 months ago

with you there! and what is up with the "swimsuit issue"? Women blatantly sold as sexual objects?

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willie 2 years, 3 months ago

The "swimsuit issue" is easy, it sells and NIKE and the chinese get rich and the ratings are high, go figure.................

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Cartman 2 years, 3 months ago

Amen sister. The gay vs. Christian threads have been well worn. I think we pretty much know where everyone stands.

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43cop 2 years, 3 months ago

Let me first state that I have never lead a perfect life, not even close, but if you will just take the time to read 1st Corinthians Chapter 6, verses 9 - 11, this should help with some of the arguments that are going on. These verses also state how we can be forgiven and I truely believe that our Lord will forgive us.

Just pray for each other.

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Cartman 2 years, 3 months ago

Amen. Thanks for posting that.

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The_Dude 2 years, 3 months ago

Folks don't want to hear it. They want to deny God and live for themselves. That's all fine and dandy for the 70-80 years you get here. Eternal life seems a bit more intriguing if you ask me. Say the non-believers are right and all we get is a pine box six foot deep. It won't really matter. But say there is a Heaven and Hell. Do you think it will matter then?

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billybob 2 years, 3 months ago

Pascal's wager, huh? But what if you're betting on the wrong god? What if the Hindus have it right? Then you're in the same boat as the atheists! What if the Hare Krishnas have it right? Then you're in the same boat as the atheists! What if the Muslims have is right? Then you're in the same boat as the atheists! You see how this works...

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