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Squawk of the day - Dec. 31, 2012

"I agree with putting more armed guards in Dougherty County schools, but arming the teachers is like giving Barney Fife a loaded gun. Andy didn’t trust Barney with a loaded gun and I don’t trust the Dougherty Count teachers with a gun period."

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Jimboob 1 year, 6 months ago

It takes a special kind of person to face down a heavly armed killer, especially one who plans to die anyway. I really think police officers will be the right call but at waht cost?

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USTPC 1 year, 6 months ago

Does it matter what the cost is as long as the children are protected? We pay armed guards for banks, government buildings, celebrities, politicians....our children deserve the same protection.

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whattheheck 1 year, 6 months ago

Yes it does matter. In 2009-2010 there were 98,817 public schools in the US. Do you really think it is reasonable to put even one officer in each school? And with the size of many of the schools, is one officer providing any real protection? If officers are in the schools, will the nuts just sit outside and wait until children and parents leave and pick them off one by one. Less media coverage would likely do more to reduce future such events than 100,000 or more officers.

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USTPC 1 year, 6 months ago

We have 200 million in foreign aid going to countries that openly spew hatred agains the US...that is plenty of money to pay for the armed guards at every public school with money left over.

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whattheheck 1 year, 6 months ago

You get it converted to armed guards and I am okay with it.

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bigbob 1 year, 6 months ago

I don't think it would be anymore dangerous for teachers to have guns than it is for half the APD officers to have guns.

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waltspecht 1 year, 6 months ago

I can remember the Range Officers sending a letter to then Chief Denny claiming they wouldn't certify the members of the new crop of recruits due to their poor marksmanship. The Officers wound up getting chastised for singling out some female minority cadets. The Department certified them. Just so you know, any of them are qualified as basic marksman, not expert marksman.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 6 months ago

Keep guns out of schools and keep guns away from the School System police. Things are volatile enough.

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dickyboy 1 year, 6 months ago

Some way these killers will find a way to avoid these armed guards in schools ....no changes needed...the percentages are still very very low....

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PatrickY2K 1 year, 6 months ago

Not that having an armed guard did much good at Columbine, but I agree, putting guns in the hands of teachers is not the answer. Even if the teachers are trained, expecting a teacher to engage a gunman is ridiculous.

If this were the movies, the teacher would stop teaching just long enough to run down the hall and take-out the gunman with a single shot. Of course, the gunman would have the shooting skills of a stormtrooper, Nazi, or redcoat, missing our hero with every shot. No students would get hit with "friendly fire." The teacher would work well under the war-like pressure, and wouldn't need body armor, because, again, this is the movies.

In real life, the teacher's gun was missing for a week in September, but was recovered by a custodian under the gym bleachers. In October, there was a false alarm - the armed teacher mistook a door slamming for a gunshot, and burst into the hall, gun waiving. No one was hurt, but some of the student witnesses see a counselor weekly. When the big day finally arrives, the armed teacher enters the hall only to be gunned-down before taking a single shot...and now, the gunman has an additional weapon, and there is a room full of students without an adult.

Lock the doors, hide the students, and wait for the trained professionals!

Don't think we need gun control? Criminals will find ways to get automatic weapons, but our schools aren't being invaded by terrorists - they are being attacked by white, teenage boys who are sad because they don't have any friends. The Newtown shooter lived in his mom's bsement with her gun collection. He didn't go in search of weapons - he lived with them! He had access to weapons that were obtained legally. If his mom couldn't purchase automatic weapons, he wouldn't have had automatic weapons, and fewer lives would have been lost that day. Have what you need to protect your family, but unless the media is keeping all of the civilian gun battles a secret, automatic weapons aren't needed.

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rock 1 year, 6 months ago

I believe that the weapons used were SEMI-Automatic.

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RedEric 1 year, 6 months ago

White teenage boys who needed mental health treatment and close observation. All of these boys were borderline insane. They were not institutionalized because groups like ACLU made it difficult to get the care that they/ we needed. The mother died even though she was in the long process of getting her son institutionalized. I agree, we do not need to arm teachers we just need to be grown ups about mental health.

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fcarroll 1 year, 6 months ago

The mother bought the guns and taught her so called mentally challenged child how to use them. The gun was not the killer, the person with the gun does the killing. I remember as a child aiming my finger at other children while playing cowboys and indians and i do not know of anyone that died as a result. What i am saying is this, if i mispell a word, is it the pencils fault? Can i aim my finger at a rattle snake and say bang bang will it roll over and die? It is not the guns fault that people use them in a sinful deadly manner. Guns used correctly are for our safety. Take the guns awake from non-criminal citizens and see what happens,

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waltspecht 1 year, 6 months ago

Note the artical in Fox News about Israeli teachers actually being armed, dispite the disclaimer put out immediately after the NRA's suggestion by the Left. Check on the training and evaluation of those Teachers that are actually armed. The Teachers moved to try and protect their students, they would have had at least a fighting chance had they been armed and trained. Like it or leave it. The best answer to an individual with a gun is a trained individual with a gun and the skill to use it.

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mnp317 1 year, 6 months ago

I agree that guns are not necessary. This nation has to develop a way to assess and treat mental illness. Otherwise, mass killings will continue. Mental illness could be diagnosed while youth are in school. It is getting to the point in the nation's schools where there should be guidance counselors, drug counselors and psychiatrists.

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Tonto 1 year, 6 months ago

The ship they named "gun control" sailed a long time ago. Teaching responsibility and proper handling to any who want to own a gun legally is the only viable course. We all know the numbers of guns owned by citizens. Who is going to demand they turn them in or face punishment...only an idiot wishing for a civil war; not divided by states but citizens nationwide aganist government. Most of the Nationial Guard is made up of folks who fill their deer tag every year. The generations of hunters and sportsman that have grown up through out this country have passed the tradition down since musket and black powder shot the first deer. Every citizen should learn to use a firearm. They don't have to own one any more than the kids who took archery in high school are running around like Robin Hood...but it would be useful and a lot more pratical than most of what school teaches ( used the old formula for finding the area under the curve recently?).

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VSU 1 year, 6 months ago

I just simply think it is a sad state of affair that we even need school police much less arm the teachers with guns. It makes school look more like a prison or war zone than a place to learn and get an education.

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B4it 1 year, 6 months ago

Oh no, not again. Multiple people were killed this morning in another bus accident. We need our Congress to immediately pass legislation to ban all future bus trips. Busses are becoming a leading cause in multiple accidental deaths of innocent people. We must act now before there are more senseless deaths by these busses.

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cratergs 1 year, 6 months ago

It's about basic security. The schools need to be structured like every business or plant that has a secured entrance. There should be one access point for entry, monitored by trained, licensed security personnel. If you need to pick Johnny up for a dentist appointment, you walk up to the window and state your intentions. You then sit in a designated area outside the secured entrance and wait for someone to bring Johnny to you. If you are not a student, teacher or administrator, you don't get inside the school period unless you are logged in and escorted.

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Cartman 1 year, 6 months ago

Gun control is usually promoted by those who the most uninformed and know the least about guns.

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URWrongAgain 1 year, 6 months ago

Wow, people are actually making/offering common sense arguments on this squawk, yet some feel the need to make light of an accident where people lost their lives and families lost their loved ones. People do make legitimate arguments against gun legislation (although I support it in some form), but when you lower yourself to juvenile comments, they don't make your side look any smarter or knowledgeable on this topic. That's when the "gun control" fanatics pounce and then you lose those who may be on the fence. I think one of the first steps in keeping kids safe is serious conversation,which a lot of people were doing here. But alas, it just won't happen without someone making the dumb statement like the one above, so here's my dumb comment to follow up on the first one.

You seem to suggest in your comments about the bus accident,the famous NRA argument that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." So since the bus would not have gone off the road had it not been driven by a human being, here goes: "Buses driven on icy roads don't kill people, the people who drive the buses kill people." (Shoulda took a plane home).

Bottom line: Those comparisons have nothing to do with each other, but if you want to take away from legitimate arguments made by your side by making them, then go ahead. The First Amendment protects your right to do so.

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B4it 1 year, 6 months ago

URWrong... looks like I hit an intended nerve (which was my intent by-the-way). There is no disrespect for those families who are hurting by losing loved ones. The disrepect comes from those ("on your side") who immediately try to use a tragedy to promote their political agenda for banning a certain gun or ammo magazine, rather than logical thinking to fix the root causes. My intent was to have the reader THINK about these political moves, rather than have knee-jerk reactions.

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USTPC 1 year, 6 months ago

The arguments of using vehicle deaths, baseball bat homicides, etc. are legitimate because it points out a major flaw in the gun control argument...the person is not to blame, the gun is, so guns and/or magazines need to be banned. If you blame the gun rather than the person for the death of those children and any of the other 12k homicides from guns on the gun, then you must also place the blame on the bats and vehicles when a baseball bat is used to kill someone or a death occurs from a vehicle crash and ban those as well.

Violent non-gun homicides exceed gun death homicides and the most often used weapon in non-gun homicides is a baseball bat. Deaths involving vehicles exceed gun homicides 3-1 every year. If your true goal is to prevent loss of innocent life, which is the argument that gun control advocates use, then these need to be banned as well.

Socialist, anti-gun advocates have brainwashed and continue to brainwash people into believing that guns are evil and scary and bad. The fact is, as with every instrument used to kill someone, it is not the instrument that is the problem it is the person behind the instrument.

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Black_Falcon 1 year, 6 months ago

“Of all of our studies, history is best qualified to reward our research.”—Malcolm X

In light of the CT shootings, gun control debates are in full swing. As usual, these debates underscore the lack of critical thinking that permeates society. Let me begin by saying that I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. Further, I am a card carrying member of the NRA. However, having said that, I would be willing to support some form of gun control if a viable argument was presented to me. So far, I haven’t heard one. So far all I have heard are the same hackneyed positions from gun-control activists they always posit. For example:

We need to ban assault weapons. This sounds good but let’s examine this position critically. First, what is an assault weapon? How will these weapons be defined? Will it become a ban on scary looking weapons? Second, and more importantly, we have tried this already (remember Columbine). Further, CT already has an assault weapon ban in place; a ban that was in place at the time of the shooting. Sadly, the ban didn’t work.

We need to ban high capacity magazines. What does a person need with a weapon that can shoot that many times? Sounds good, but let’s dissect this critically. Excessism is a part of American culture. For example, what does a person need with a Lamborghini of Ferrari? The speed limit (in the US) is only 70MPH (in some places 75MPH). Why have cars that can travel over 200MPH? Or, a house can only provide shelter. What does a single person (i.e. athlete or celebrity) need with a 20,000 Sq. ft. mansion? The point I am making is that we all have things that go over and above what is required for basic functioning. Second, and more importantly, it won’t work. Let’s suppose there was an assault weapons ban and there was a limit on high capacity magazines. A person could legally possess a 9mm handgun and unlimited amounts of 10 round magazines (Remember VA Tech).

I am saddened by what happened in CT. I think we as a nation should respond with sensible legislation. However, the legislation should (at least) address the problem and provide realistic solutions. For example, how to address the mentally ill needs to be re-examined. Further, the violence that permeates society via movies, television, video games, etc. needs to be addressed. Violence in America is a multi-faceted problem. To only talk about gun control is short sighted and downright foolish.

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erudite 1 year, 6 months ago

Black_Falcon, you got it. The issue is not guns, knives, bombs, etc. but rather the reliance on violence to 'solve' issues. Violence begets violence.

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erudite 1 year, 6 months ago

Go ahead, give the teacher a gun. Let her shoot the student who attacks her, let him shoot the student who consistently disrupts the class, shoot the one who curses everyone out. I have PMS and a handgun; any questions? Not just a joke anymore; be careful what you wish for.

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