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Now Now we were promised there was no such thing as Death Panels coming. But lookout here comes the cool-aid drinkers to defend O’s plan.
Exactly. I think the term used in the bill is actually "effectiveness committee", IIRC. A group of LAWYERS and PROFESSORS deciding IF you qualify to get a life-saving medical procedure, or if they deem you unworthy. Not ONE doctor on the board. There is NO justification for this lunacy, although I know there are some here who will try.
Realistically you are looking at hip and knee replacements. So called comfort surgeries. If you want to see it in action, check with some senior citizens in Canada. I have one fiend there that has been on a list for a few years, he claims they are hoping he will die before they address his problems. He's a young 78.
Time for the Tall Boots!
And, you don't remember the parents that desperately tried to get their child into a US Hospital because of the wait to get into a Canadian one? You might need to actually look at some of the reports coming out of Canada, and the number of their citizens that cross the border for surgery before you start with the tall boots comments.
But Canada is "free" right walt?
The way folks in this area use the word RUDE. I say to you, go and hang with some folks from Canada and you might get your lil feelings hurt.
Sarah Palin didn't invent the term "death panel", but she got the most press for pointing it out during the Healthcare "debates". The dems said they searched the bill and couldn't find the phrase "death panel" anywhere in it. I never was really a fan of Sarahs, but I thought the attack on her to be overly vicious and unfair. The mainstream press during the past three years has simply become part of the propoganda machine. Integrity in journalism would be a welcomed change. But, I fear we are too far gone for it to matter anymore anyways. Americans now seem to vote from their own self interests, rather than the good of the nation. May our forefathers forgive us for ruining the fruit of their sacrifice. May God help us.
Really? The United States ranks 39th for infant mortality, 43rd for adult female mortality, 42nd for adult male mortality, and 36th for life expectancy. With stats like this who needs death panels?
Murray, C. & Frenk, J. (2010). Ranking 37th — Measuring the performance of the U.S. health care system. New England Journal of Medicine 2010; 362:98-99
To use these statistics to determine the quality of our healthcare is to assume that all other factors that impact death rates are the same. Personal behavior with regard to drugs, teenage preganancies, obesity, and violence likely are more of a factor than heathcare quality. The destruction of our national moral fiber should be recognized as a major factor in these statistics.
The 1,000-plus pages of the health care bill has, to the best of my knowledge, no panel in any version that judges a person's "level of productivity in society" to determine whether they are "worthy" of health care.
The claim sounds like another statement which says that health care reform would mandate counseling for seniors on how to end their lives sooner. I think it is a matter of misunderstanding and miscommunication. The health care bill allows Medicare to pay for doctors' appointments for patients to discuss living wills and other end-of-life issues with their physicians. These types of appointments are completely optional, and AARP supports the measure. How many of you among us have taken care of end of life decisions so the burden is off your loved ones? How many of you have Living Wills and a Power of Attorney for Health Care so the burden is taken off your loved ones and not put in the hands of the courts (ie. the government that you seem to so hate)? As a retired nurse I have seen the misery and heartache and, yes, families torn apart at end-of-life situations and it is devastating on the family and a horrific thing for the patient to go thru.
It seems to me that if you believe that a death panel is going to exist then do you see we would be in fact establishing euthanasia? Same thing, different name. Right? Again, I am not defending the health care plan, actually I don't care one way or the other. I am just so tired of seeing the arguing and the misunderstanding. Has anyone actually read any of the bill? Even a few pages of it...or just bits and pieces of what someone said or what Rush or Glenn or Fox News said, or what you heard someone said? Try to research some of the actual bill and read some of it. A lot of it is still in committee. It is not yet a bill passed by the Congress. Try to find some of it and read what it actually says. You may be surprised. A good source is the AARP magazine. You can probably find information online too....at the AARP website.
Yeah, because AARP is set to benefit GREATLY from this bill! And who could read the thing? It's like 2 or 3 thousand pages long and was written in prison by an admitted Socialist congresswoman's husband. There is at least one congressman on video admitting that he hasn't even tried to read it BECAUSE OF the length. And by the way, yes, I have a will, living will, power of attorney, advance directives, etc. ready and available for my family if and when they're needed.
remember when pelosi said "we have to pass it to see what's in it"? well, if some of it is still in committee, not yet passed, then how can we see what's in it? The whole thing is just scary, the way it was done in secret and all.
Your family is very fortunate that you have taken care of that then. I am not trying to rile up emotions....all I am trying to do is say please do not take bits and pieces of the health care bill as gospel. You have to research each piece you hear about to see if what you hear is really true and how it will affect you. How will the bill affect the AARP and how will they greatly benefit? That is one I have not heard. And who is the husband of the socialist congresswoman who wrote the bill? That is another one I have not heard but would like to research. I know the proposed bill is a long one, over 1000 pages, but was under the impression it was written in committee by a panel. I have seen some names tossed around in some articles I have read but think that they are just written by angry young people trying to make a name for themselves. I consider the source also. I am non-partisian on this, believe it or not...for I have excellent health care (actually am on Medicare and Tricare 4 Life and have the Medicare premium taken from my Social Security check each month, am covered by Parts A and B and have drug coverage thru Tricare, Express-Scripts). There is no charge for my Tricare, never has been, or my generic medicines from Express-Scripts, so see, I don't really have a stake in the health care bill like most do...it just bothers me to see the arguing and misinformation, and you must admit some of it is misinformation. Remember, educating yourself about anything that will ultimately affect your life in any way at all is the most important thing you can do... learn as much as you can about this health care bill that is causing so many emotions to run so high.