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Squawk of the Day - July 21, 2012

"It is a pretty sad and sick state of affairs that we Americans cannot enact reasonable and meaningful gun control. Not talking about infringing on Second Amendment rights, but reasonable and meaningful gun control."

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RedEric 2 years ago

You mean like felons not being able to own guns? Yes, that one works really well. It is a very small percentage of people who are problems. This is one instance w here I agree with Margaret Sanger.

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USTPC 2 years ago

What exactly do you mean by reasonable and meaningful gun control? They already have in place the required registration of any firearm that you purchase through retail outlets and in most states you have to register and pass a background check as well as get fingerprinted in order to legally carry a concealed weapon. They also have laws on the books preventing a felon from owning a gun but like any criminal who is going to use a gun in a crime do you think he or she is worried about whether they met the law requiring registration and/or a carry permit and/or a law preventing them from having a weapon if they are a felon? No, because they are a criminal and laws mean nothing to them.

What happened at the theater in Aurora is terrible and I certainly do not want to make light of it. But more gun control is not what we need. Think about this, if half the patrons in the theater had been carrying concealed weapons how many do you think would have died? I would bet less than the 12 that did. Also, it would give pause to anyone thinking about such an action because they would not know who had guns and who didn't. Just a thought.

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years ago

Many more, you would have had a gun battle, with innocent people in the middle.

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erudite 2 years ago

I do believe that would have been a consequence. However, mental instability is rarely identified until the person acts out. The CO guy booby-trapped his apt.; he could have booby-trapped the theater. The guns were just one method.

I don't like guns at all but short of prohibiting them--and we know how well Prohibition on alcohol went and on drugs is going--we have regulated them as much as possible.

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chinaberry25 2 years ago

The gun just jumped into that person's hand. It is the humans who are wrong and you cannot predict human nature. But you can control it to a certain extent. But there will always be a side to human nature that is evil. But we do not have the freedom or the resources to handle the control of people. Until we do away with our Constitution our hands are tied. Then we will all be Communists. And that is another can or worms.

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bigbob 2 years ago

There is already plenty of gun control in place. If there had been a person with a concealed carry permit in Colarado they could have saved alot of lives. Face it if every law abiding citizen carried a gun & knew how to use it the country would be alot safer place especialy citys like Albany.

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FlunkyMonkey 2 years ago

I go to the courthouse, have the background check, and get a permit to carry a gun, LEGALLY. I go buy a gun. I lose my job, need groceries, or simply decide I no longer want to carry that gun. I take my gun, advertise it for sale and sell it to the first person who shows up with the cash. I don't ask if he can legally purchase the gun or do a background check. Don't matter to me, I just want to sell it. I give him a bill of sale, he/she gives me my cash. The gun is later used in a crime. Whose fault is that? Not mine, I sold it in good faith. I have a clean bill of sale. What he/she does with that gun after the sale is their business not mine. Also consider that President Jackass refuses to do ANYTHING to stop the flood of illegals across the boarder allowing even more illegal weapons to come into the states, gun control will not work because there is no way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. If they want a gun, they will get a gun....

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agirl_25 2 years ago

That is interesting, but you mean as the private seller you are not responsible for a background check on the person you are selling to? (not being a smartass here, just curious) The reason I ask is because what if he does commit a crime, don't you think in this litigious society we live in there is a chance the family of the person he robbed or killed may sue you for selling him the gun? I am certainly not making light of the horrific crime in Colorado but I see years and years of lawsuits, from those against the theater chain to the manufacturer of the tear gas container, to the director of the film, for making it so violent as to spawn the idea in the man's head. Yes, you are all right, there is no way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and would be criminals and won't be for a long time coming and yes you are also right about if some in the theater had permits to carry concealed weapons there would have been a lot less lives lost and fewer injured. But....I wonder if there would have been. Would it have become an old West type shoot out with a bunch of people pulling out their snub nosed .38's and shooting wildly at random? There is always a lot to think about after the fact. My heart does break for those who had to endure the nightmare of it all.

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Jimboob 2 years ago

Actually the guns are leaving the states. It is very hard to purchase a gun in Mexico. Very hard.

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stc1993 2 years ago

FlunkyMonkey, you would be required to see his ID & make sure he was a resident of GA. You can not legally sell a firearm to anyone out of state unless you have a federal firearm license.

18 U.S.C. 922. Unlawful acts (a) It shall be unlawful— (5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to

(A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and

(B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

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waltspecht 2 years ago

With the amount of drugs, people and products that are illegally smuggled into our country, do you really believe guns aren't being smuggled in also? The only ones affected by gun laws are those that respect and fear them, that certainly doesn't describe a criminal, or a mentally defective individual. Do you remember "Son of Sam"? The New York killer? He had a fully automatic Thompson Submachine gun in his possession, along with the infamous Charter 44 when arrested. Both obtained illegally, in New York City, which has had some of the most restrictive gun laws for over a hundred years.

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bigbob 2 years ago

Heck Walt Obumma & his crew gave them to the drug cartell. Remember a border agent got killed with on of them guns. Don't hear much about that by the liberal a$$ media do you.

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FlunkyMonkey 2 years ago

Since the law does not specify that I, as a private seller, does not have to conduct background checks, then no I am not responsible for what happens with the gun after I sell it. I work for an attorney, and in the State of Georgia, the seller of a gun cannot be held responsible if it is a private citizen selling a gun. If the gun is used in a crime, it is the holder of the gun that is responsible...not the seller.

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agirl_25 2 years ago

Thanks for the clairifcation of that Flunky. As I said, in this society we live in you know people are ready to sue at the drop of a hat.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years ago

"When guns are outlawed.....only outlaws will have guns".

How can anything we know about life in the 21st century dispute this fact?

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years ago

What about the model citizen shooter?

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years ago

Where is the picture and the breaking news?

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Sister_Ruby 2 years ago

Where is your answer to my question?

B_r you are willfully stupid. If you could become more stupid, you gladly would. But you're too stupid to figure out how to get more stupid.

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Shinedownfan 2 years ago

You know, there was a study that found that stupid people are too stupid to realize they are stupid? I think this BVR is proof.

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bubbavet 2 years ago

AMEN to that. "A waste is a terrible thing to mind"

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Jimboob 2 years ago

Whenguns are outlawed only outlaws kids will accidentally kill themselves or others...

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LoneCycler 2 years ago

Laws passed in Colorado in 2003 by a republican house, senate and governor would have allowed all citizens to openly carry firearms any place it was legal for them to go unless a business posted a ban preventing it. Of course, activist judiciary removed that part of the law. Mass killings almost always happen in "gun free" zones, the Virginia Tech atrocity comes to mind. I think it's sad, and sick, that gun grabbing liberals refuse to come out of their ivory towers and instead attempt to foist their unworkable ideology on the rest of us every time something like this happens. We aren't going to give up our freedom for their promises of security. Just look how well their "secure" "gun free" zones have worked in practice. As an aside, anybody else catch ABC News attempting to claim the shooter was a Tea Party member?

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Sister_Ruby 2 years ago

I had just told my friend, just minutes earlier "I wonder how long it will be before the mainstream media tries to pin this on Rush Limbaugh etc". Well it didn't take long. And OH by the way did you read the Idiot Squawk of the Day in Saturday's paper that said exactly the same thing about Limbaugh and the Republicans? You just can't believe the stupidity that exists in people with brains God gave'em.

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SweetPea 2 years ago

I think they're not only stupid but hypocritical. The "tolerant" people run right out and start blaming people just because they don't agree with them politically. I think they forget, even if Rush wasn't on the radio, plenty of American citizens would hold the same opinions.

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Shinedownfan 2 years ago

I already squawked back on that stupid squawk saying, I guess Rush was the one who wrote the Batman comic book which had the villain shooting up the theater...

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VSU 2 years ago

Bring back the old west, where everybody carried guns in their holsters. I agree with ustpc and big bob, had their been patrons carrying guns legally they could have nailed the guy before he did more damage. In a perfect world, no one would need guns, but limiting guns is not the answer because the criminals will always get access to guns, It would not be fair to strip everybody the right to own guns to defend themswelves. We're probably better off with more people carrying guns, but just hope they are skilled and are good aims. We don't need everybody firing at once and hitting the wrong target.

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agirl_25 2 years ago

Yes, VSU, that is where I am scared. What if panic sets in and everyone goes nuts and bullets fly. Sounds good but in reality it could end up doing more harm in the long run.

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USTPC 2 years ago

This would not be perfect, but it would certainly help with your concern agirl_25 - Make it mandatory that In order to obtain a permit to carry a gun you would have to pass a written test and a shooting accuracy test and a handgun safety test. I would have no problem with that as long as they were objective and not subjective.

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Shinedownfan 2 years ago

The criminals and "crazies" would still get the guns, USTPC. There are so many laws already that aren't feared by the "nut jobs".

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erudite 2 years ago

The Colorado guy was a Ph D student in neuroscience; he could pass any test presented to him. Psycho- or sociopathies cannot be predicted.

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USTPC 2 years ago

Shinedownfan and erudite...you get no argument from me on both your comments. My point was to prevent total panic and chaos that to legally carry a gun you had to at least show you were knowledgeable on how to safely handle a handgun and also show some ability to hit the target you are aiming at. This was aimed more at trying to prevent a person with good intentions from accidentally shooting an innocent bystander. No guarantees obviously but it would improve the odds.

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alleebrin 2 years ago

Exactly what happened in Eastern Europe in the '40s - people had not way to protect themselves - the governmennt banned gun ownership, marched the people off to the gas chambers under the pretense of providing a job and means for making a living. Wake up folks!!

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erudite 2 years ago

alleebrin, this is so far removed from what happened in Eastern Europe; you truly have no idea about that history.

But I digress.

I am no propopents of guns; don't own one, probably won't. But, if you want a gun, fine. When the revolution comes, I will make sure you have one. I will die by a bullet but I will not kill anything with one.

There seems to be as much control as possible without banning them. We can't plan for the local misfit.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years ago

As Charles Krauthamer said, both this week and after the Arizona crazy guy shot up a bunch of people......gun laws have gotten tighter and tighter while limitations and scrutiny of mentally and emotionally unstable people have gotten looser and looser. Remember, Krauthamer is a clinical psychologist.

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agirl_25 2 years ago

Well erudite, guns scare the bejesus outta me but I own some because I live in the country and feel a need to have them. Because of critters that roam out here that don't belong, on seperate occasions I have had to use them. I have a friend in Germany who was telling me about their laws and how tough they are. He told me how a teen a few years ago joined a shooting club because you just cannot go into a local Walmart like you can here in the US and purchase a box of shells. He joined the club so he could sneak out a bullet or two each visit so he would soon have enough to shoot to kill his school classmates. He was determined to kill someone and make a name for himself. All that control and yet the misfit got around it. Kind of like here. People do it hoping their names will forever live on but in a few years they are forgotten.

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erudite 2 years ago

Yep, I just posted that psycho and sociopaths can't be identified before they act. Look at the Norway guy. Ted K., the Unabomber--brilliant, the CO guy--a PhD candidate in neuroscience!! Mass killers, like these guys are just as bright as the serial killers.

I just never liked guns. I do have issues with some of the guns we are allowed to own but no real issue about others owning one.

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Abytaxpayer 2 years ago

You want a gun control Law!
Try this one. It controls ciminals not the Law Abiding.

Anyone who commits a crime (any crime) and has a gun or indicates they have a gun during their crime is executed within 24hr of being caught. Any convicted criminal barred from having a gun if caught with a gun is executed within 24hr of being caught. Any person who is identified as a member of any organized gang is executed within 24hr of being caught with a gun on their person.

Now the Bleeding hearts will scream this is unresonable to take a criminals life when we can all just give up our guns.

Try giving criminals with guns something to fear and stop trying to make Law abiding society fear criminals with guns!

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years ago

Right winger mentality, stop the deaths, increase the gun laws.

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USTPC 2 years ago

Not hardly. That is what the liberals want you to think.

As far as I am concerned the second amendment gives us the right to own and carry guns. I support the NRA and their continued effort to make sure that the second amendment is upheld. I will vote against any candidate that is in favor of violating the second amendment right.

If someone makes the choice to break into my house to try to steal from me or harm my family then I will make the choice to take whatever measures I have to that will prevent them from doing so. If that means they get shot so be it....THEY made that choice.

Not sure how many on here agree with me but I am guessing the majority.

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agirl_25 2 years ago

I agree...I will protect myself and those I love by whatever means necessary, even if it is with a firearm. If they make the choice to harm me then I will make the choice to protect myself. What person would not? So yes, my hand is raised in agreement, USTPC.

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B4it 2 years ago

I agree with you Aby... we need tougher penalties to make a dent in the rogue criminal behaviour. Too many hand slaps for the parents saying, oh but he is a good boy, when the parents do not even know where their good boy is half the time. For the unrealistist calling for more gun controls, I guess you should also be an advocate for the elimination of baseball bats, cars, knives, ropes, and alcoholic drinks of every kind. These also kill just as much, and some even more, than guns. To the unreasonable gun banning left-wingers, if a gun can kill on its own, so can the above. THINK!

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Sister_Ruby 2 years ago

Yes Abytaxpayer and the same thing could be done for DUI's that kill people but all politicians want to do is TALK about it and not DO anything about it.

I would vote YES to your proposal. Call it T-GONE. I like it. Great idea! Now that's what we need........proposals that would really work and make a difference!

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years ago

Go back to sleep, negative comments has hurt your credibility.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years ago

T-GONE. Just like your brain cells.

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erudite 2 years ago

If there are complementary laws for those who bilk investors, who, willfully or through gross negligence, harm people by product or process, or who intentionally harm the planet, I'm all for it.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years ago

So erudite you agree with the principle that "corporations are people" I guess!

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USTPC 2 years ago

I agree Abytaxpayer....make the penalties for committing a crime using a gun tougher.

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hotdog 2 years ago

how about having to have a permit BEFORE being able to purchase a gun??

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bubbasmithredneck 2 years ago

borderline racist comment again taxpayer.....everybody knows you just want the blacks executed cause you think they are the ones mainly in a gang. Dont start that mess again.

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VSU 2 years ago

There was no mention of race in taxpayers comments.

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rock 2 years ago

If every firearm was removed and destroyed as some people avocate, killings would not stop. It has not been that far back when we kiiled each other with rock weapons, then we progressed to edged weapons, where millions were killed with these, to firearms. WHEN someone wants to kill, they will kill and the weapon of choice will be the weapons available. McVay kiiled with simple everyday chemicals, fertilizer and diesel fuel, common household chemicals mixed to proportion give off noxous gases, Steak knives can kill and in hte right hands MANY, before he will be stopped. We need to try and identify those who can possibliiy on Killing sprees and stop them. Gun Legislation is pretty much useless. I legally own 15 different types of firearms but I can obtain Machine Guns for the right price with the wrong person.

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agirl_25 2 years ago

"legally own 15 different types of firearms"...by that do you mean different types of pistols and rifles? I don't know a whole lot about guns but I know there is some pretty weird stuff out there floating around. I wonder if a person needs a permit to even have guns in their possession that they don't shoot. I wonder if every gun they have in their possession needs a permit or just to carry one, concealed. It seems as tho it is time I looked up the state laws concerning gun ownership, huh?

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agirl_25 2 years ago

WOW...I did some googling and learned a lot about gun laws in Georgia!! Man I feel like an expert now!! Some of the answers to the questions amazed me....

http://www.georgiacarry.org/

http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/georgias-carry-laws-explained/frequently-asked-questions/

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erudite 2 years ago

If this is true, rock, you are not helping the situation by letting that seller get away with it. Turn him in; get those guns off the street.

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years ago

Focus on the shooter, what do you think about him?

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rorschach 2 years ago

Personally I don't advocate more stringent gun control laws. However, I don't believe that everyone being armed in the theatre in Colorado would have resulted in fewer lives being lost. Besides being heavily armed, the gunman was also armoured from head to toe. Anyone firing at him without protective gear probably would have been killed. Also, when the police responded they would have had to try and sort out if everyone with a gun was a friendly or not. The scene probably would have been even more chaotic than it was. With that being said, if I had been in that theatre, I would have wanted a gun too.

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Bubbavet_rureel 2 years ago

I disagree, hold the shooter accountable, follow the constitution.

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rorschach 2 years ago

You may disagree with any part of my post that you choose. I only stated my opinion. I don't believe I ever advocated not holding the shooter accountable, or not following the constitution in my post though.

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Abytaxpayer 2 years ago

Holding the shooter accountable is only after the damage is done. My suggested law would be a determent (DEATH within 24hrs) to most casual misuse of guns; sadly not much could stop a crazy person. If most people knew the gun could cost THEM their life I bet you could not even give many of them away.

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