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Squawk of the Day - June 15, 2012

"We have people who have been on welfare for two or three generations. You can’t call them families. It’s just people having babies. How good would the economy be doing if these people were in another state? We should make it hard to draw welfare checks and send them to another state."

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 10 months ago

Send them up North where people don't understand the "Who, What, and Why" of the South. That might change their minds about the situation, when they are driving to work and see People sitting on their Front Porch just waiting for the Mail Man to bring them something. That might make a Difference between Now and November! Yes, God, Make It So! Amen!

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Sally_O 1 year, 10 months ago

Send them to another state? As if it would be that simple? As if the other states would welcome them with open arms? "Oh, send us your welfare citizens eh? Well then we will just send our welfare citizens over to your state, what do you think of that?"

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agirl_25 1 year, 10 months ago

I have to add my 2 cents here and maybe get back a penny... but when I was working in the nursing profession we got many people in the ER who were on Medicaid (not Medicare as there is a difference) and of course were on welfare. They would joke and tell us they were down south for the winter because they were too harsh where they were from (usually New Jersey) and they could not tolerate the cold. They could easily tolerate the winters in the south so when summer came to the north they would pack up and head back up there and their welfare benefits would change, most of the times increase. Don't kid yourself....welfare recipients know how to play the system.

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w4jfc 1 year, 10 months ago

Right "on" Agirl, they are well informed on "everything" free pertaining to Welfare". After all they have several family generations who go on wellfare..Buck

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ugonelearn 1 year, 10 months ago

Sister Ruby i think you are one of those people who wait on the mail man all you do is stalk the herald all day and half the night making comments. You cant work or be doing anything productive bc you comment 24/7 with all of your warped views and comments. You must be one lonely and sad individual.

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 10 months ago

Clif, I have been one of your staunchest supporters. I don't understand why you are attacking me and it's making me sad.

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 10 months ago

I can't help that I'm a crippled old lady.

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waltspecht 1 year, 10 months ago

Educate them, provide gainful employment for the educated and make a large enough differance in comfort and services that working is clearly seen as the better alternative. I have had people ask me to sign their unemployment form that they are looking for work, but make it obvious they don't want any work until the benefits run out. I have been told folks will not work for what we pay because they are better off working the System. I don't know about you, but something sure seems wrong to me. Dictate exactly what can be purchased with a State Card, down to the grade of meat and the health benefits of the food. Make it where people grow gardens, and hand tend them, so they can eat better than the Welfare State allows for. Make Welfare existance living, not comfortable living.

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w4jfc 1 year, 10 months ago

We are already spending around a million dollars "a month" educating and look what we have from the results. The entire system is out of control and will "never" be changed....Buck

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chinaberry25 1 year, 10 months ago

Another side to that coin is, as long as Albany is a welfare town, employers will never pay a decent wage. For every dollar you make, you should have to reduce your benefits. But all said and done, for the pay in Albany, I as a young woman would have gone that route. Albany has always been a town for poor pay and lousy jobs to boot. At this point, why work? Unemployment is going up, and base will close soon, so you will see Albany cleared out by taxpayers.

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w4jfc 1 year, 10 months ago

Chinaberry, you are "totally" correct and the "sad" thing, nothing will ever change here in Albany but more wellfare....Buck

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bigbob 1 year, 10 months ago

Get rid of all the Welfare recipients and you would cut Obummers voting base in half. At least they should be drug tested like working people are. Just picture how much better off Albany would be without the welfare, foodstamp, medical, etc people sucking the life out of the city.

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tocar 1 year, 10 months ago

Your're correct. They just keep having babies and they are babies having babies. You would think that at some point a Mother would get the message about morality. Go in a doctor's office and see how many unwed mothers are in the waiting room. It seems as though they just keep having more so their welfare assistance will increase. These Mothers need to be furthering their education and preparing a decent life for their already born children. They need to be examples rather than hindrances. We wonder why the innocent children do not want to go to school and learn. We wonder why there are so many street walkers, theives and murderers. Take the welfare assistance away from these people except for seniors and those that are severely handicapped medically.

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Clif 1 year, 10 months ago

I notice some are suggesting more education, I ask for what? The Democrat Plantation Slaves don't need an education to do the only work they do, namely, vote. If we educate them, we will need to spend more on their "education" and then the additional expence of continuing welfare & food stamps. The only "work" they do is vote. Sandford Bishop/Barak Obama couldn't care less if they are "educated." They are well qualified for their "work." They "work" several times (vote) one day every two years for Bishop, and every four years for Obama and/or whoever the aspiring Democrat Slavemaster is.

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Clif 1 year, 10 months ago

Watch out!!! Father's Day is coming up this Sunday. There will be mass confusion in Harlem...

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w4jfc 1 year, 10 months ago

GREAT comment as it is "right" on target...Buck

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tocar 1 year, 10 months ago

Clif, you are so right. It is sad that a female has several children and they all have a different Daddy. Many do not know who their Daddy is. This explains the mentality of the majority in Harlem. The interbreeding is learned from generation to generation. There are so many opportunities in education available today. People cannot say they are denied any priviledges in this country.

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VietVet1 1 year, 10 months ago

I wouldn't wish the worthless multi generation welfare people on other states. I don't mind helping those that recently lost job (as long as they're willing and able to seek work). But this "give me" and "da o me" attitude needs to come to a stop.

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VSU 1 year, 10 months ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again., Welfare should be provided only to those who are mentally or physically unable to work.

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erudite 1 year, 10 months ago

What do you mean by welfare? Food stamps, farm subsidies, business subsidies, bank bailouts, TANF, senior care, Medicaid, Housing, mental illness help, SSI?

Have you any idea of how many area farmers receive federal funds to let their fields be empty?

Are the pay outs in Albany/DoCo/ Lee Co and environs, more or less than Atlanta, Savannah, Kennesaw, Columbus? Or all all poor Georgians to be lumped in the same pile?

Do you understand that different states allocate money differently to recipients? Each state gets a certain chunk from the Feds to mete out as it sees fit.

I take it that there is a consenus that some are the "deserving" poor (they deserve help) and the "underserving poor", those who are 'milking the system' and do not deserve help?

Understand your issue first as it will help create a grounded argument.

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w4jfc 1 year, 10 months ago

Erudite, you need to do your "homework" on some of your statements, guess you were not aware of the "large" percentage of people on welfare in Albany/Dougherty per capitol. It exceeds all other cities/counties per capitol.....Buck

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erudite 1 year, 10 months ago

Um, I made two statements and asked seven questions. Did you notice that I asked mostly questions because I do not know the answer? Where did you get your information? Is Albany the worst in the nation?

Did you know the word is "capital" and not "capitol"?

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VSU 1 year, 10 months ago

I noticed you used the word "do" and not "did not".

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erudite 1 year, 10 months ago

That's right because I "do not" know the answers. If I used "did not" know, I would be implying that I now know. I do not.

The poor word choice was probably 'notice'; I should have used 'understand'.

Do you have any answers?

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VSU 1 year, 10 months ago

You said and I quote "Did you notice that I asked mostly questions because I do not know the answer" Shouldn't that have read "Did you notice that I asked mostly questions because I did not know the answer?" The first half of your sentence was in a past tense, and 2nd half of sentence was in the present tense. I don't know, maybe you are right and I am wrong. Perhaps if you used the word understand, the rest would have been okay.

I wasn't being mean to you, I read your response to w4jfc and couldn't resist. I am merely joking with you. I definately am not an english major.

To answer your question, not sure Albany is the worst in the nation, but would not be surprised if it is in the top ten worst list.

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erudite 1 year, 10 months ago

No, if I had written "did not know", I would have been implying that I asked the questions because I 'did not know' once but now I do. I still do not know the answers :-) So past and present is OK. If it were a face to face conversation or an "IM", I would have used present and present because I could have received an immediate answer to my question (asked vs ask) At least I can thank you for reading the piece and taking the time, right? Thanks!!

Definitely and English.

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VSU 1 year, 10 months ago

Yeah, like I said, I was not good at English, and at your comment below, I too thought maybe it was capita and not capital. :)

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erudite 1 year, 10 months ago

And it's capita, not capital

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willie 1 year, 10 months ago

I am new to the greater Albany area. To Sister Ruby, there are receipents in the north, and a lot of people who relocated there from the south during the good times. I take by the way people write here that they may not have ventured far from the old home site. Most of you should take a trip up north and see how comparitave we all live. Welfare/The System or whatever you choose to call it, is alive and supporting all races of people in this country. Your not the only state or county assisting people ,some of whom have a real need and some just there for the paycheck.

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VietVet1 1 year, 10 months ago

Yep, ask any Indian (American Indian) how well this country took care of them

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Clyde 1 year, 10 months ago

Drug testing before a single dime is paid out. That would be a good beginning. Put a time limit on how long they can draw welfare. Create and enforce laws that will give a severe prison sentence if a store clerk/owner pays out cash and is caught cashing out an Epicard. Also limit the items the Epicard can buy to food and only items a kid can use. I personaly know a mother of two who uses her Epicard for cigarettes and lotto tickets and not a dime goes to the kids. Also, force mothers to release the names of the baby-daddy so the dna testing can be done and he can stand up like a man and pay child support and if HE is on welfare take the child support out of his welfare check. Create state/county incentives for those on welfare that get off welfare and get jobs. Subsidize their pay enough for them to live within their means and not way above.

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w4jfc 1 year, 10 months ago

Great ideal, Hawk59 but "nothing" is going to change in the welfare system as it has been "out" of control for a long time and we will never see it change in our lifetime....Buck

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agirl_25 1 year, 10 months ago

Clyde......I don't know what an Epicard.. is so please explain and I thought in order for a mother to qualify for welfare benefits she had to name the father of the child....or am I mistaken? I have not worked in Home Health since 03 and know many things have changed since then so these terms are all new to me.

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Hawk59 1 year, 10 months ago

It doesn't take much to get people in this area worked up! What do you all really want? You complain about everything and everybody. People need jobs, and not just in your area but most of the country. Do you not understand that we are still in a recession? Some of you remind me of a politician back in the seventies named J.B. Stoner, who had the nerve to make a t.v. commercial stating that if elected, he would promise to send all of the NI--ERS back to Africa. Stop talking out the side of your neck and say what you really mean! Do you even understand that in this country there are more white and Latino on Government programs than blacks? Maybe some of you need to move to another State, and compare it to where you live. Move to S. Florida. We have plenty of houses available, good schools, and great weather. But we also have crime issues, and plenty of people of ALL races on some type of Government assistance. Come on down, be my neighbor. But you might want to take some lessons in Spanish first.

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VietVet1 1 year, 10 months ago

As an American in AMERICA why do I need to take some lessons in Spanish. How about THEY learn to speak English since they are in MY country?

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VSU 1 year, 10 months ago

Trust me, there are several people who don't want to work. Why work when the Guvment will take care of them? Recession has nothing to do with it, people have been on welfare for several years regardless how good or bad the economy is. Face it, you have a lot of sorry and lazy people out there of all races. But living in Albany, one would not know that, but Albany by far has it's share of welfare and food stamps recipients to be called welfare city.

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Bubbavet_rureel 1 year, 10 months ago

A good community does what it can to educate and provide the basic support for families in need. It's not the children faught, we must always support the children. We ask the following questions:

  1. What can I do to really help the situation?
  2. Will talking negative help?
  3. Will praying help?
  4. Will my vote this coming election help?

Support the local educational institutions, local churches, local sports programs.

Trust the Real Deal, these things will help correct the systems.

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VSU 1 year, 10 months ago

Not the children's fault? who do you think are producing those babies?

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Cartman 1 year, 10 months ago

End government payments for food and shelter. It is not the government's role to provide these things. Our nation went a century and half without paying it. Once started, it has only continued to expand out of control. End it now. It cannot be made to work. It's by-product is even more poverty.

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ugonelearn 1 year, 10 months ago

I am a hardworking taxpayer never been on welfare or come from a family of welfare but what bothers me is that people complain that welfare is the problem but never mention how big business is robbing americans blind with their unfair practices legislation being passed and tax breaks for the wealthy while regular working people pay the bulk of the taxes so brain washed.

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VietVet1 1 year, 10 months ago

Breaking News: "Obama administration to stop deporting some young illegal immigrants" so he gets the votes and we the taxpayer pay the bills. So much for "we the People" voting on this!

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MRKIA 1 year, 10 months ago

LET'S NOT FORGET THE SCHOOL LOAN AND GRANT PROGRAM. BETWEEN THAT, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS AND INCOME TAX REFUNDS YOU CAN TAKE IN MORE PER YEAR THAN WORKING. BTW: HOW CAN SOMEONE GET SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS IN TAX REFUNDS WITHOUT WORKING?

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VSU 1 year, 10 months ago

Don't forget to dig up Uncle Leroy in time to vote.

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watchman 1 year, 10 months ago

It's all about so-called power, if those that are receiving government assistance of any kind, then they are at the mercy of representatives, senators and all of the other bureaucrats that make up the rules of these programs and determine who get what and for how long. They make it tempting for those to get on or stay on the assistance roll by handing out one "freebie" or another as long as the individual do as they (the bureaucrats) say. A version of Simon Say. Welfare was/is one of the worst programs that was devised to keep a people in place.

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Bubbavet_rureel 1 year, 10 months ago

Okay watchman, in your world, let's say the programs are ended. What solution would you offer to those people? Be careful, because you and I know that the system has stolen their opportunities, dreams, hopes, and culture historical livelyhood.

Your'e asking for something that past generations put in place to hold and contain people. When they as you put it, try to educate themselves, you put their educational institutions down, ASU, UGA, GT, and the alike.

I'm not sure if you can get what your'e demanding. Please dont go as low as sister, mrkia, Bubbavet, and some of the other non caring posters. Listen to me and Coach for truthfulness.

The Real Deal.

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erudite 1 year, 10 months ago

Let's just kill the people who do not 'deserve' assistance. The upstanding citizens of Albany can define "deserve" and decide which people fit the definition. Many claim Obama is a Socialist so he's really just one step away from being National Socialist, right?

The last major Nationial Socialist did it so why don't you vote for Obama the socialist who, in order to save money and make jobs, can get rid of underserving people and employ others to work with the dead?

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Bubbavet_rureel 1 year, 10 months ago

What about sending back home? Is that what you really mean.

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erudite 1 year, 10 months ago

No, they are already home...they are Americans.

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Bubbavet_rureel 1 year, 10 months ago

What about sending back home? Is that what you really mean.

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Clyde 1 year, 10 months ago

Agirl, I'm sorry. The epicard is how child support is paid these days. Duh, I'll go back to sleep now. :) ZZZzzzz ZZZZzzzzz

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agonized 1 year, 10 months ago

The epicard is either a Visa or Mastercard, so that it could essentially be used anywhere (i.e. a liquor store), like Clyde stated above. There are so many forms of aid available in this country if one knows how to work the system, and many do and then "educate" others. Unfortunately, those that need it most sometimes receive it least or are just a few dollars over from receiving it. That is why Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security are in major financial trouble--the funds have been poached to use on programs for people who will never pay a dime into them. In some cases, such as the disabled, that's ok, but in others, it's just a never-ending cycle.

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