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Squawk of the Day - March 25, 2012

If you call yourself a Christian, why are you voting for Obama? He says we are not a nation made up of Christians.

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tocar 2 years, 4 months ago

I am a Christian and I am not voting for Obama. Christians should vote him out of office as our nation is in a huge mess because of him. Our country, economy and our people are hurting because of negative decisions he has made.

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agirl_25 2 years, 4 months ago

I read something interesting this morning.....in staunchly secular France, Catholics, Muslims and Jews tend to choose their president dependent on their faith. Catholics tend to flock to Conservatives, while Muslims and Jews favor Socialist. Still they think religion is best kept out of politics but still it plays a huge part when going to the polls and some researchers say it is more influencial than social class. I remember the furor when Kennedy ran for president..... a Catholic...gasp...and now a Mormon wants to be president and no one has even started to sling mud about his great-grandfather and his 4 wives.....how noble of them. Why should they? What does the fact that Romney's great-grandfather had 4 wives have to do with whether or not he could be a good president? Of course he still has to win the nomination and it looks like a close race. I don't know what religion Santorum is but I am sure if he wins the nomination he will go under the microscope. I certainly don't wish the abuse on any of them or the torment the wives and family will endure.

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LuLu 2 years, 4 months ago

The debate over whether he is a Christian or not is really the least of our problems where this man is concerned. But I'll play along and say that in my opinion, our president is not a Christian. I'm not saying he's a Muslim, but he's not a Christian, either. The church he attended in Chicago for twenty years -- admittedly for political purposes only -- Trinity United Church of Christ, is no more Christian than Westboro Baptist Church is Baptist. Both places teach hate and divisiveness, whereas Christian churches teach love, forgiveness and compassion. Black Liberation theology and Critical Race theory are not Christian teachings, and that is what Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan and others like them, teach. At this late date, either you know the truth about this president and are rightfully scared of him or you have your head blissfully buried in the sand and don't want to know the truth (WHY???). He and others like him have been working toward the downfall of America for a very long time. It's all there to see, if you'll only wake up and pay attention. Quit keeping up with the stupid Kardashians and Snooky and Justin Beiber and all that Hollywood garbage and wake up to what's happening! I'm truly frightened for us all if by some chance he isn't defeated in November. We ain't seen nothing yet!

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ObjectiveEyes 2 years, 4 months ago

Dang, LuLu, no one has summed it up any better!

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chinaberry25 2 years, 4 months ago

Amen Lulu, but they only thing I would add, it there is not a black in Albany, GA who will agree with you. But they have more to lose than all the whites. They are by choice the poorest and least educated, so they will suffer the most. Their savior will instead be their undoing.

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FlunkyMonkey 2 years, 4 months ago

Not to mention being placed in a position where "political correctness" takes the place of common sense and Christian values. We need to fight for Christ as He has been fighting for us--

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 4 months ago

I have always thought a "democrat Christian" is an oxymoron.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

I must add a significant counterpoint to this squawk. The evangelicals have been "played" over the years by many Republican candidates also. They learn the "right words to say" to get the Evangelical vote. However, there are going to be alot (not too many I hope!) of "Christians" who's brand of "Christianity" will not allow them to vote for a Mormon this November which is sad and potentially deadly as far as Four More Years of His Royal Majesty, BHO.

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dingleberry 2 years, 4 months ago

Politicians always seem to know the right words to say while pandering for votes and party makes no difference. Whatever they think you want is what they are for that day. Tomorrow is another day to pander to another person with another position if necessary and religion is merely part of the process for some. In business, those who claim to be the most religious are the ones who may give you a shot to the scrotum first from my experience. But you don't have to worry about such as this Ruby.:)

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

Why does it matter? Why is your belief 'right' and everyone else's wrong?

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

Even Bob Bekkel, the liberal voice on Fox News's "The Five", explained that one last Friday.

Humanistic logic tells you that when they all point in different directions, they can't all be right. So either NONE are right, or ONE is right and the others wrong. A tiny bit of objective study of the basic tenets of world religions will tell you that.

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

None are right. I have actually studied comparative religions at length; what man does not understand he fears or worships, that is what it comes down to. Western religions have the same god but by different names; Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew. His followers are Christian.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

Apparently yours is the only right opinion.

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

How do you figure that? It is an opinion based on fact. If you don't agree, that's fine. You have the right to your opinion. My facts may be proven to be wrong and I am willing to admit to that. But right now, these are the facts we have.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

You said "Western religions have the same god but by different names". This is NOT a fact but is your opinion (and is one that is shared by others). It can't be a fact because each religion's god is telling them diametrically opposed things about "how you can approach" god. That's one little example. It's illogical to accept your "fact".

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

I should have been clearer; not the same god but the gods serve the same function.

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43cop 2 years, 4 months ago

Why is my belief right? Because a young Christian man by the name of Jesus Christ died for my sins and allowed me to be saved by his blood shead on the Cross. That is my belief and this nation was founded on that principal and we have allowed some of the "now" generation to forget that and vote for a true Muslin degenerate who has placed us where we are today.

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

You do know that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, don't you? They agree that when he returns, it will be the end of times.

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

It's time. Humans have failed the great experiment. We do not deserve to inhabit this planet.

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agirl_25 2 years, 4 months ago

VSU .....When you say the end is near......do you mean December 2012? I am not being a smarty pants, but am curious if you mean the Mayan prediction that has been talked about on the TV. I don't see much about it lately. I think it is supposed to occur on the 21st but am not quite sure.

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

43cop...you may want to rethink your claim. Jesus' last name was not Christ. Last names did not exist; he was Jesus of Nazareth, brother of James. Christ is a title meaning either leader or teacher.

Shed, not shead and Muslin is cloth. Muslim means an adherent to Islam.

This nation was founded on religious tolerance; the Puritans were escaping persecution. Let us not continue to persecute different faiths. Read Article 11 of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, to see what the US was in terms of religion.

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USTPC 2 years, 4 months ago

Radical Muslim religious beliefs say it is okay to kill infidels and gentiles. I guess I should practice tolerance up to and including them beheading myself and others around me in the name of religion? I have tolerance of others religious beliefs only to the point that it does not infringe on my religious beliefs and/or personal liberties. I would also like to point out that in today's world Christian beliefs and practices are the least tolerated of all the religions.

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

Do you have evidence for this, "I would also like to point out that in today's world Christian beliefs and practices are the least tolerated of all the religions."

"Radical Muslim religious beliefs say it is okay to kill infidels and gentiles.": Radical Christian religious beliefs say it is OK to kill gays and non-believers. I guess I should practice tolerance up to and including them beheading friends and others around me in the name of religion?

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

How many gays and non-believers have Christian extremists murdured in the past 50 years around the world? How many infidels have Muslim extremists murdured in the last 50 years around the world. I don't know the answer but I know which number is bigger.

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erudite 2 years, 4 months ago

The number is not the issue; the idea is.

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agirl_25 2 years, 4 months ago

Being an athiest I so enjoy this type of discussion because I think it brings out the real christian in the posters. I love reading each and every post. I do hope that there is as much enthusiasm shown in this topic as was in the prior one about the school capacity, which topped out at I do believe 106 posts. They were fascinating to read. Actually I also am a poster on several other blogs and join discussions in a few chat rooms and have informed some friends about this page and have had several take a look at it. There have been some interesting comments from my friends. One is from Oxfordshire, England and he is speechless which is quite an accomplishment for him since he is a teacher. Please, before you start to jump on me for saying I am an athiest, look at yourselves, Mr. and Mrs. Christian, and remember...my 'truth' is different than your 'truth', so don't judge me, OK? As USTPC pointed out, it does seem that in today's world Christian beliefs and practices are the least tolerated, but then again I am sure many would argue that the Jewish people suffer much more, have for thousands of years and always will.
I am most excited and looking forward to December 2012. I am hoping it is like the beginning of 2000....now that was a fun time. If I am enjoying the discussions now, I can imagine they are going to be fantastic in December!!! One thing I still don't understand tho.....if we live under a democracy and are supposed to have a legislative branch of goverment making and passing laws, how can one man run the country...isn't that a dictatorship? The Constitution grants Congress the sole authority to enact legislation and declare war. It even has the power to override a veto by the President. Seems to me it has MORE power than the President so maybe you are angry at the wrong branch of government. As far at the POWERS the President has...he has none..he has DUTIES to perform.....alas....no power. Yes, he can declare war but he must have the approval of Congress and yes he can propose a bill but someone in Congress must introduce it for him and yes he can make treaties with other countries but Congress must approve it. Learn the facts first. Goodness you sound like a bunch of schoolyard bullies. And no, I am not an Obama supporter...I never vote for a president...I only vote for my congressman because that is where the power is.

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Amazed2 2 years, 4 months ago

In case you missed this item. Since OBAMA took office he has taken the Christ out of Christmas. OBAMA and Michelle OBAMA have used Happy Holidays and Holiday Season as the official Whitehouse words for CHRISTMAS. First President in the history of this nation to remove Christ from Christmas. What does that tell you about his religion (a so called secret Muslim that is not so secret)

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agirl_25 2 years, 4 months ago

Call the Christmas card police.. if you are referring to their 2011 Christmas Card. The Bush's card of 2005 showed their two dogs, Barney and Miss Beazely on the White House lawn. The inside reads " With best wishes for a holiday season of hope and happiness." A solemn, cold image of the White House by Jamie Wyeth was Ronald Reagan's in 1984. Self-professed 'born-again Christian' George W. Bush, in his 2002, card had a photo-realist painting of a piano in the White House. No shepherds, wise men, or mangers to be found. Of course the most bizarre to me was the picture released by the White House of then first lady Nancy Reagan sitting on the lap of Mr. T kissing him on his forhead....quite classy for a first lady, wouldn't you all agree? Sooooooo I guess it must have slipped your mind that Obama wasn't the only one who forgot to put Christ in Christmas, huh? We do that sometimes, huh?

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justme 2 years, 4 months ago

Hey agirl_25, most of these folks here are like or better than the sunday funnies on any given day. I really believe they don't like the Prseident simply because of his race.

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 4 months ago

WRONG but that's all the depth of thinking that some folks need to write off the opposition.

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agirl_25 2 years, 4 months ago

Yes, they are justme...they are more fun to watch and read on a daily basis than they can ever imagine and I have actually given some of them Sunday funny character names and TV character names....makes them easier to keep up with. And yes, I do believe that here in the 21st century it is still hard for some of them to accept the fact that the President is defined as a black man. Maybe they should read some of Dr. Henry Louis Gates' papers, for they may be in for a surprise themselves.

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lynn227 2 years, 4 months ago

Stop lying! If you don't want to vote for him, fine! No one has to be a christian or any other religion to be head of government. If I remember my scripture correctly, the New Testament and Jesus in particular, asked his followers to be no part of this world (governement), just as he was no part of the world. As far as I've been able to see, this comment section is the greatest reason to reject all things christian. I bet most of you have indentations on your backsides from warming church benches...spewing poison at leisure!

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agirl_25 2 years, 4 months ago

Lying? Is that directed at me? Lying about voting for president. Why would I lie? I don't vote for a president, so who cares? I would not care if they ran a frog for president....I still would not vote for it and I am not one of those yelling about whether or not Obama is a Christian or Muslim. Frankly, my dear, I, like Rhett, don't give a damn. Also, I don't see myself spewing poison at leisure, but simply stating my view on topics presented by the Herald staff. I don't believe I try to encourage anyone to reject all things Christian. Just because I am not a Christian doesn't mean I think everyone should follow my path, and just because I am not a Christian does not mean I am not happy. I think if I was unhappy then I probably would be spewing my poison, as you say, to vent and get rid of the anger. I don't see anger in my posts tho. Have a nice day.....

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lynn227 2 years, 3 months ago

I responded to the Squawk of the Day. How does that involve you? Is it your squawk? How delusional!

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ghostofkarelia 2 years, 4 months ago

Since y'all love mentioning the Constitution on here:

Freedom of religion (1st amendment) & separation of church in state (Article 6).

THAT'S one of the things that made this country great. That you could come here and not be persecuted for your beliefs, no matter how different they may be. Today, if you're not a Christian, then you're automatically branded as anti-Christianity and a crusader against it. Get over yourselves. We are NOT a nation of Christians, and I'm damn proud of that.

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agirl_25 2 years, 4 months ago

erudite.........quite an interesting read.......Article 11 of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli.......isn't it amazing what one can find out by reading these posts? I had no idea at all that ever happened. On the page I read about the Treaty this quote stands out.......and amazes me ......."In 1797, six years after the adoption of the Bill of Rights, the United States government signed a treaty with the Muslim nation of Tripoli that contained the following statement (numbered Article 11 in the treaty): "As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the states never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mohometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of harmony existing between the two countries."

AMAZING.........erudite......thank you for the information.. I am always hungry for knowledge and appreciate it when I can learn something like this. Good nourishment!!!

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