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Squawk of the Day - May 30, 2012

"The DCSS is no different than any other public school system. The only thing different is that everything that happens in the DCSS gets reported."

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ObjectiveEyes 2 years, 7 months ago

The more I learn about the Lee County school system, the more I'm forced to agree. There are some definite similarities.

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PatrickY2K 2 years, 7 months ago

We hear about the DCSS problems that are unlawful. Can you imagine the stupid ideas and decisions that must be part of a normal day for #34? Other systems may have problems, but they can't possibly compare to the problems of the DCSS.

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SMHgain 2 years, 7 months ago

I suppose if the wrong doers don't want to be brought out into the public eye by reporters maybe they should think twice before committing unethical acts such as cheating, under reporting income for free lunches, etc. The taxpayers have every right to know how tax dollars are being spent by the DCSS and be informed on decisions made by the board regarding their children.

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waltspecht 2 years, 7 months ago

An inquiring Third Estate is one of the few things keeping the Taxpayers informed. Hard working Reporters are having to dig to find what should be a matter of reported Public Record. Randolph, Clay Sumter and Lee all have less advertised problems, but they all make the news every so often. I for one appreciate the information, as it is slow coming from official sources.

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FryarTuk 2 years, 7 months ago

Anybody that believes there is no difference in DCSS and the other publisc school systems is dumber than a stump in the forest.

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waltspecht 2 years, 7 months ago

Well, the State hasn't put DCSS on notice, or taken action against it as it has other boards.

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FryarTuk 2 years, 7 months ago

I don't know what part of the state you're talking about. Two State special prosecutors spent months identifying over 2 dozen administrators and staff who are charged with CRCT cheating. The State has accused, arrested and indicted a Board Member for fraud and other criminal behavior and a principal for fraud also. What does State mean to you? If you're specifically referring to Nathan, the Big Deal who is Governor, he's probably upset because DCSS is trying to rout him from his hallowed position as one of the most corrupt politicians in the country.

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waltspecht 2 years, 7 months ago

Randolph had the some board members removed by the State. Sumter County is under the microscope, As i think Clay is also

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tocar 2 years, 7 months ago

I don't know what the difference is now and when I went to school except the teachers were in control of each classroom. There was not any cheating and we were expected to attend school with an attitude of wanting to learn and excel. My parents knew where I was and what I was doing academically. I certainly was not walking the streets and did not expect my teachers to give me anything other than what I earned. Learning was fun. The kids and some of the teachers in the DCSS are something else. They leave allots to be desired as mentors for our children.

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chinaberry25 2 years, 7 months ago

With the DCSS many of the teachers are giving the grades to pad their own jobs. What the answer is, who knows. But I agree that what the veteran teachers are making and the poor performance in the schools, take away the pay for masters and doctorate pay. Many school systems have done that very thing. If you do not perform, then your classroom should be viewed again before you are rehired.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 7 months ago

Wow!!! The most powerful squawk this month! This squawker said a mouthful. This is the elephant in the room that nearby school systems DONT WANT YOU TO HEAR!!! They have become "masters" of sweeping corrupt behavior, crimes, and wrong-doing under the rug and avoiding the local paper and media. But is it really avoiding???? Are they working alone??? Have you ever heard of "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil????" in this case.....print no evil......

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gotanyfacts 2 years, 7 months ago

Coach... You have my attention. Give us your best example! You have the chance to make this a meaningful squawk! Details, details!

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 7 months ago

hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil!!!!

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gotanyfacts 2 years, 7 months ago

Coach, you are making a habit of grand statements without anything to back up what you say! When pushed to give some sort of verifiable fact in support of your opinions both you and _rureel either blather or disappear altogether. We all have a right to express our opinions. We also have a right to dismiss opinions which have no foundation in fact or logic. Apparently, your latest is ripe for dismissal.

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VSU 2 years, 7 months ago

Get over it coach, this squawk isn't that great.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 7 months ago

awww, you just hate to hear that dont you VSU???

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VSU 2 years, 7 months ago

Don't hate to hear it, just baffled as to why you always jump and support the stupidest ideas. Truth of it is Corch, you just hate it that the herald prints out the happenings that goes on. People have the right to know and the herald should be commended for keeping everybody informed.

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Shinedownfan 2 years, 7 months ago

I have to disagree with the squawker, not everything that happens in the DCSS gets reported.

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FryarTuk 2 years, 7 months ago

I can't provide examples of any perfect or near perfect public school systems. However, I can report that personally knowing some of the board members and administrators of Tift, Worth, Lee, Crisp, Ware and Decatur City school causes me to conclude their programs and administrations are light years ahead of DCSS.

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alleebrin 2 years, 7 months ago

I am sick and tired of supporting a failed school system - AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE CHILDREN!! Geez!

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PatrickY2K 2 years, 7 months ago

I hope EVERYONE votes on July 31st! Our school system is a liability when attracting business to Albany. Don't have school-aged children? Have children in a private school, or home schooling? Your property value has dropped, and your property taxes have been raised, too. It will take everyone to fix this problem.

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VSU 2 years, 7 months ago

Hey squawker, this is not Vegas...you know.....whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas...

Just like tocar said, back in the day there was discipline in the classrooms, students wanted to learn and if you misbehaved you got a good paddling (which is what a lot of todays students need). I wasn't nowhere near the smartest student, in fact I could have done much better if I applied myself more, but I had decent grades, not great, but I did it on my own and not having to cheat or have the teachers change my answers for me.

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43cop 2 years, 7 months ago

It appears that some people believe this school system we have is alright because the State has not given notice or taken any action against it. Now, that is a poor excuse for a school system and you can bet one of the government agencies will take action. It might have to be the feds in pulling funds from the system or the State when they all wake up and see what is going on here. With what is leading this system, the time is coming and I believe it is very shortly and it will result in prosecution with a change in venue to really show the entire state what a mess this DCSS has created. Face facts, this system in geared to GIVE ME without working for it, both students and administration. Maybe, just maybe, with the coming elections, we can get someone in there that will at least stand up for the 15% that fund this so-called school system.

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bigbob 2 years, 7 months ago

The biggest failure in this school system is the 50% graduation rate. You really can't lower the standards anymore as half the people that do graduat don't know how to read & write.

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outsidelookinin 2 years, 7 months ago

The sad fact is that in a school system, DCSS or otherwise, teachers and administrators don't have much control over what they are given to work with. When are parents going to be held as accountable for their children's failures as much as school systems? Yes DCSS has numerous problems. So do other school systems. Sumter County is a local example of another school system that is being run into the ground by its own board. Mcintosh County over on the coast just fired it's superintendent for unethical behavior. Atlanta schools have plenty of problems. Heck, our state and federal govts are far more corrupt than the DCSS board is. What everyone seems to be missing is that the problem is far bigger than just the school system. The culture in this country has made a major shift from "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" to "Demand your country to do it for you"! Not to lessen the issue, but 28 employees out of around 2000 is only .014% which is an extremely low percentage of "bad" employees. Even if you say there are far more than that, say 200, that is only .1%. I'm just saying, maybe it's not the "school system", but a few evil people that are selfish and corrupt. Add that to the fact that the culture of Dougherty County is of the "give me mine and forget the rest" mindset, what's a poor classroom teacher to do!

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Terry.Lewis 2 years, 7 months ago

This is the most rational post I have read on the problems afflicting the DCSS. Yes, there are problems at virtually every school system in the state. In Albany there are problems on the board and within the administration. My job is to keep the public informed of the good and bad within the system.

These problems will only fester if allowed to be swept under the rug. This position has not made me very popular with those who are benefiting from bad, incompetent or illegal behaviors ...

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outsidelookinin 2 years, 7 months ago

I agree Terry. Someone, in this case you, has to keep the spot light directed on those that are doing wrong. I just get a little weary of the criticism of the school system as a whole when there are actually quite a few good things happening, and the bad things that happen are mostly out of the control of the average employee,.

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coachjohnson42 2 years, 7 months ago

Why dont you go after the surrounding school systems air their dirty laundry like you did the DCSS? Why are you so focused on exposing the DCSS? If you know they have swept "wrong-doing" under the rug, why not try to badger them as well????

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VSU 2 years, 7 months ago

Do you actually deny there are any wrongdoings in the DCSS? Are your rose colored glasses that dark that you can't see your fingers when you type, or maybe that special Kool-aid that you drink messes with you train of thought? I would bet you think the DCSS is perfectly ran, and that Murfree is the greatest school superintendent in the history of the DCSS.

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PatrickY2K 2 years, 7 months ago

"Go after?!?!" The Herald didn't go after the DCSS. They didn't ask the School Board to hire the 34th most qualified candidate for superintendent, or ask him to bring over his idiot friend, Goseer. The Herald is holding public employees accountable, not badgering. It is perceived as badgering to #34 and his supporters because he's in over his head, and doing such a poor job. The newspapers in neighboring communities can worry about their school systems - we have enough to worry about, right here.

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Terry.Lewis 2 years, 7 months ago

Badgers? Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers ...

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Sister_Ruby 2 years, 6 months ago

"Welcome to our new................."

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Citizen_A 2 years, 7 months ago

Your math is a little off... 28 employees is a little over 1%, not .014%. And 200 is 10%, not .1%. Even at those small percentages, it is more than we as parents want to see in our school system. I agree that we as parents should have responsibility in our children's education. But you can't put any of the blame for the CRCT scandal on anyone but DCSS.
The system has blame in letting parents have their "give me mine and forget the rest" way...they should put their foot down, and tell them "No", and that they have to earn it. Once you give on to one and let them have their way, you know others are going to want the same for themselves. And it snowballs.

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SMHgain 2 years, 7 months ago

Why figure what percentage of DCSS employees are the "bad" employees as you have stated? I don't think the bus drivers or custodians have anything to do with CRCT cheating. To get closer figures for percentages it would seem that only the instructional type employees such as teachers, aides, paraprofessionals, or principals should be included, not every employee of the system.

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Cartman 2 years, 7 months ago

It is my hope that the corruption and inept "leadership" at DCSS continue to be openly reported. Sunshine is the best antiseptic. If they were not caught with their hands in the cookie jar; it would only embolden them to do even worse. I detest thieves and liars, especially those that take from the public coffers in the name of "children".

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jaybird 2 years, 7 months ago

There may be truth to what Squawker is saying, But we are fortunate the reporter is digging into this. The big problem is the changes in our culture the last 5/6 decades, mainly the lack of parental control and involvement, And uneducated teachers. A lot of good teachers choose to teach in private instead of public schools with lower pay and benefits just as parents who can scrape up the money choose private. This may take decades to fix, But we have to start by electing leaders who recognize this and will fight for a return to self reliance and personal responsibility. Get out in November and help get the present administration out.

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gladileftalbany 2 years, 7 months ago

This squawk is ridonkulous...I live in a place where the administrators/teachers are "princiPALS" not "princiPULLS". There aren't school officials lying about their income so their kids can get free lunch and all of the other shenanigans that goes on. DCSS is a joke and believe me..I was in that system for 10 years until my folks realized what a joke it was/is and they put me in Deerfield.

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Clif 2 years, 7 months ago

Left Albany years ago, but still own property there, thus I pay property taxes. Albany's leadership(?) is a joke. People from around the area make jokes about Albany.

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Cartman 2 years, 7 months ago

People that aren't from around the area make jokes about Albany too.

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tocar 2 years, 7 months ago

Discipline and the desire to learn begins in each home. How many parents are actually being a Mother or Daddy to these children. So many of these students are wild, unruly, and immune to any discipline or responsibility. They are taught from a very early age to live off of the system, and that the world owes them. The parents do not have any morales or values to pass on to the children. Parents need to wake up and help these young children instead of hurting them. Develop some morales and self respect and stop bringing innocent children into this world who must pay for your sorriness.

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agonized 2 years, 6 months ago

When you have a job that is funded solely by taxpayer dollars, there should be an expectation that the public will be interested in the job that you do, particularly when it involves the education of their children or grandchildren. Without the media, we just wouldn't know what is going on and there is nothing that has been printed that isn't subject to the Open Records Act. The problem is to know what you are looking for and where to get it from, which is no small task. That's where the media comes in.

Here's a tip: if you don't want bad publicity if you are employeed through some governmental agency, including and especially the school system, don't do anything that calls your integrity into question while doing your job. It just escapes me why anyone thinks that this whole process of investigating the CRCT testing and Terry's reporting of it in this paper is just targeting DCSS and some of its employees. There is no way that the amount of time, money and effort that have been put into the investigation would have been done if there wasn't some evidence that something wrong was done.

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