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Squawk of the Day - Nov. 12, 2012

Please don’t blame crime, teen pregnancies and the drop-out rate on the churches and the school. Blame it on the good-for-nothing, sorry parents.

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FlunkyMonkey 1 year, 11 months ago

AMEN.....and when the kids are charged with a crime, charge the parents as well. Guilt by association would be a good one....

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VSU 1 year, 11 months ago

Amen to that. It's time the parents took responsibility for their kids, if not, lock up the parent(s).

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

So if someone's child messes up you lock up the parents, thus leaving the other kid(s) either in foster care or with a grandparent or godparent?

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VSU 1 year, 11 months ago

Sometimes you have to do what you have to do if the parents can't control their kids.

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RedEric 1 year, 11 months ago

The good for nothing sorry parents were trained by welfare. You don't get welfare if you are a hard working fine upstanding citizen deeply involved with your children's future. The government has trained you to be a Gimmedat. All Gimmedats are democrats, but not all democrats are Gimmedats. I understand hard times, but why would anyone voluntarily enter into that lifestyle which is akin to slavery is beyond me. I value my freedom to make my own decisions. The Government (the Massa) tells the Gimmedat where to live, what they can and cannot do and when to show up. This is Not a racial problem, so don't go there. Our problem is the Gimmedats are in the school system, local government etc.

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PatrickY2K 1 year, 11 months ago

Someone is being a sore loser from Tuesday! Still pretending that all welfare recipients are lazy, and that they are responsible for Obama's re-election? It isn't even a political squawk!

Romney won the white vote, and the protestant vote, but lost the Catholic vote, Jewish vote, and every minority. The Republican Party needs to reinvent itself, and that starts with silencing Rush and Fox News (at least as party spokemen). Both appeal to a demographic that is shrinking, while alienating voters that are necessary to win. If the party continues to ignore the needs of everyone except white, protestant men, then every four years will be a repeat of Tuesday.

"The Republican Party has the same problem as the Beach Boys - their fans are dying off." - Bill Maher

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VSU 1 year, 11 months ago

This subject is about crime, teen pregnancy and school dropouts and bad parenting. Do we still have to discuss the president, republicans, democrats etc. What can be said that hasn't already been said? Just the other day you were complaining about another squawk about the president and here you are talking about the presidential elections. Okay, Obuma won, let's just move on.

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RedEric 1 year, 11 months ago

Romney also lost the Ron Paul vote and the Mormanisms a cult vote. He is also more liberal than some would have liked. However, I think conservatives should respond in kind, I.e. make fun of them. I think Obamas birth certificate is hilarious. His father was a native of Kenya. Kenya didn't exist in 1961. His fathers race was listed as African...in 1961? Com'on, he doesn't look Semitic. Also Obama sr. Was already married when he married Anne. That makes Barrack the first illegitimate president also. He is just responsible for a whole list of firsts. Ain't it grand

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PatrickY2K 1 year, 11 months ago

4.1% of the US population is on welfare.

38.8% of welfare recipients are white.

39.8% of welfare recipients are black.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

What that cant be right!!!! All white people are rich and all black people are on welfare!!! Surely this is a mistake!!!!

lol.

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RedEric 1 year, 11 months ago

Gimmedats are not all welfare people. Churches in town get $100s of thousands of dollars in giveaways. JP Moran bank gets $500 million per year to administer SNAP. Also, the numbers you cite are just for one program. there are something like 18 different programs. One more fact, most of the uber rich are democrats and probably some are Gimmedats.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

What are the giveaways the churches receive? Are you referring to tithes the members give to the church?

JP Morgan gets paid to administer a service. It is a bit of a stretch to call that a Gimmedat problem. The bailout situation was a Gimmedat problem.

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chinaberry25 1 year, 11 months ago

Fox has more listeners than all the other networks combined. Yes, the good for nothings elected him, but just wait till they start cutting. 26 weeks of unemployment payments.Obama omitted what will happen or he would never gotten elected. He was to busy lying and name calling to talk about policy. Oh! He did not have one. His policy to to rob Peter to Pay Paul. The poor are going to be a lot worse off now. Get ready!

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PatrickY2K 1 year, 11 months ago

Just because you say something, doesn't make it true.

Bill O'Reilly might have a majority of the viewers for his time slot, but Faux News does not have more viewers than the other networks combined.

Maine is 95% white, and Obama had 57% of the votes. Massachusetts is 86% white, and again, Obama had 57% of the votes. Is that the "poor" electing him?

Where do you think poor people live? New York? California? Florida? Or do they live in Alabama, Mississippi, and Kentucky? I bet you know which three of those states are blue, and which three are red.

"Robbing Peter to pay Paul" means requiring the upper class to pay the same tax percentage as the middle class.

Obama didn't wear a flight suit and land on the deck of an aircraft carrier to claim credit for anything. He also didn't start a war looking for non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

Keep telling yourself that poor people elected Obama, and continue to ignore issues important to women, blacks, asians, latinos, and everyone under 30. Georgia may be a red state, but for at least four more years, we live in a blue country.

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Jimboob 1 year, 11 months ago

And no self respecting republican has ever been out of work or disabled?In this free market, global economy many people that never thought it would happen to them find that it, in fact, does happen to them. Back in the days of Clinton (remember him) there were so many jobs that people who shouldn't have been working were working. It isn't that way now.

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whodat 1 year, 11 months ago

uh....not exactly. Some Gimmedats are Republicans.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

I want you to explain to me how the Waltons are a welfare family, not a meme you found on the Internet.

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fcarroll 1 year, 11 months ago

The parents teach them how to go out and take from others, they have done it all their lives themselves. Sometimes being poor is an excuse that they use. Thanks for all the positive comments written regarding this subject as well as the truth.

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bigbob 1 year, 11 months ago

What do you expect when so many kids are having kids just to get a bigger welfare check. I think alot of it is the governments fault. You want to slow down unwed mothers having kids don't give them more free money to do it.

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jglass 1 year, 11 months ago

AMEN, Squawker!!!! It ALL begins with the parents. Schools are the tool to educate the kids, but if the parents are not involved and have no intentions to get involved, do not blame the schools. Churches reach out to people and give on a regular basis, but they cannot control people and their actions either. Again, it starts at home with the parents!!!

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daisymae 1 year, 11 months ago

Amen!!! I completely agree that the parents should be charged as well...well that is, if you can find baby's daddy because unfortunately have of these young girls have no clue who fathered their child(ren). Those with multiple children each have a different daddy. Start doing paternity test and make the father pay for the child and take the mother off welfare.

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Cartman 1 year, 11 months ago

Really? Lock up the parents? I've seen some bad kids who came from good homes and good parents. It's a little more complicated than you guys are portraying in your posts.

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VSU 1 year, 11 months ago

But the parents are still responsible for their kids.

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Cartman 1 year, 11 months ago

I agree. But it was turning into a FSA-bashing thread. I was just trying to point out that leeches don't have a lock on irresponsible kids. Not that many of those "parents" don't deserve to be locked up, but condemning all parents with problem kids was painting with a mighty broad paint brush.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

It's really easy for you to say that, VSU. Don't take this personally, but the idea of locking up a parent because little johnny got arrested is a terrible idea.

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VSU 1 year, 11 months ago

What do you suggest, just tell little Johnnny not to do it again? Like that has worked before. And how do you know the parents are not putting their children up to commit these crimes? Like the other day, wasn't there a father and son arrested for burglary? What about that Father and son that got arrested with having those explosives a few months ago?

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

I suggest you arrest the kid and put them in YDC or one of those "boot-camp" programs.

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VSU 1 year, 11 months ago

I would, but I am not a policeman. Never been arrested for anything in my life and I am not about to get arrested for inpersonating an officer. With that being said, some kids have been put in YDC and when they got out, they went out and got arrested again. So that doesn't work, so maybe try arresting the parents. Now I realize the parents can't always be watching their kid every minute of the day, but obviously they are not getting the job done. As Obama said on his first election campaign. "If the current plan isn't working, then we need to go in the other direction"

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ustaknow 1 year, 11 months ago

High crime rate : very weak economy and violent video games from the time they are in diapers to the time they disrespect their parents and or other adults.

Pregnancies: Liberalism has infected the schools to the point that teachers are sleeping with students and passing out condoms in grade school- fostering an attitude of sexual promiscuity.

Drop out rate : bi product of the above

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

All falls back on the parents. Parents should control what their kids watch on tv, play on xbox, listen to on their ipod. Parents should educate their children about abstinence.

I'm not as worried about the drop out rate. We need people doing grunt-work that doesnt require a high school diploma or college degree.

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chinaberry25 1 year, 11 months ago

How is this possible, The parents were raised on soap operas and this was the first downfall of the morals.

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TRUTH101 1 year, 11 months ago

I refer to them as P.A.P's Punk @$$ Parents....and PAP's are in every tax bracket.......

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VSU 1 year, 11 months ago

But just more in the lower tax bracket.

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straightface 1 year, 11 months ago

Amen.. not up to the schools and churches to raise YOUR children.

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Outtahere 1 year, 11 months ago

This goes hand in hand with the child deaths article. CHANGE WILL ONLY HAPPEN WHEN THE SYSTEM IS REVAMPED! As long as woman recieve money based on the number of children they have - THIS WILL NEVER GO AWAY! There are, right now, millions of generational welfare queens. It's ridiculous to think that these women or young girls would ever put in any effort when EVERYTHING is handed to them for free!!

Here's my brilliant idea: You get benefits for TWO children - NO MORE!!! If you decide to have six kids, guess what, the last four are on your dime!! I ASSURE YOU MY IDEA WILL WORK!! Once they relize breading is no longer profitable - it will stop!!!

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FryarTuk 1 year, 11 months ago

The squawk is a bunch of baloney. The churches and schools share a huge part of the "blame" along with parents for the educational and sociological problems in this community. Start with school board, with the exception of David Maschke none of them should be there if qualifications are considered. If honesty is important you can get rid of more than half of them. Let's not even talk about leadership on the school board. As for the school administration it could double as an idiots' convention. The teachers are virtually incompetent to the 95th percentile having degrees from a dysfunctional school of education at ASU or unaccredited online programs with facilities no larger than a mail box. As for the churches, brother, where do you start? The churches are political vassals comfortable in the feudal power system here. No body wants to get kicked out of the food chain. The schools and churches here are direct contributors to the issues of education and certainly parents own a lot of fault as well.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

There are a lot of assumptions and generalizations in your statement above, FT. I think you have a some good points sandwiched between your usual rantings. I agree that colleges are cranking out teacher after teacher who are less than equipped to handle the struggles of being a teacher in today's society. With the values in our country evolving it is getting harder to lure bright college students into the teaching field. Why not go into a field where you can make money?

I have been to a few churches not only in the Albany area but other areas in Georgia. I have never heard a pastor speak of politics, nor have I heard a pastor advise anyone as for which which political candidate to vote. I have heard topics such as abortion and homosexuality addressed, but with no political agenda. Granted, the churches I attended were traditionally white churches.

I don't think the squawker was talking about just the problems in Albany, but in society in general.

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bigbob 1 year, 11 months ago

He's more than likely talking about Heard, that would make him completely correct in his assumption.

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Jimboob 1 year, 11 months ago

Gee. You seem upset. Is there anyone doing a proper job?

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FryarTuk 1 year, 11 months ago

Well, you and I are. But sometimes I'm not so sure about you.

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jglass 1 year, 11 months ago

FT, I do not agree with your comments. The blunt of the blame is the parents. Schools were made to raise the kinds they are here to educate the kids. And Sherwood, you bring a lot of good points to the table. Churches are political vassals???

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gladileftalbany 1 year, 11 months ago

Churches are political vassals for sure...

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FryarTuk 1 year, 11 months ago

jglass, in your second sentence I assume you meant "brunt" and in the third sentence it appears you omitted "not" before "made" and "kids" would work better than "kinds". But I am supplying a lot of changes here so I really better not respond, except to say if you think the bible schooler brings good points, I can see why your fingers are all tied in knots. Churches, and to be more specific Albany churches are pure political vassals. And for the purpose of discussion think more than one dimensional.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

There's the FT we have grown to know and love...

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FryarTuk 1 year, 11 months ago

There' a Pygmalion in every lot.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

You need to be more specific than "Albany churches." How about, "churches like Reverend Heard's?" I would be assuming some things which perhaps I should not. Do you believe all types of churches to be nothing more than "vassals" of political parties or special interest groups?

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Jacob 1 year, 11 months ago

"You need to be more specific than "Albany churches." How about, "churches like Reverend Heard's?"

What kind of churches are those? I have been there. I know some of the members. They are good, decent people. Have you been there?

"Do you believe all types of churches to be nothing more than "vassals" of political parties or special interest groups?"

Not all. Some are fronts for fleecing the sheep they call members and and avoiding the U.S. tax code for their movie production businesses.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

Are you and FT the same person? I was asking FT to further clarify his statement.

Churches like Rev Heard's would be churches used to further political agendas for organizations like the NAACP. I'm sure there are white churches that do the same for their respective interest groups.

I dont attend SBC nor have I ever attended in the past. The positive impact their movies have is why the church is even in the movie business at all. Should they pay taxes on their revenue? Definitely. Are they fleecing their members? I would think not.

See, we can have a civilized discussion.

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Jacob 1 year, 11 months ago

"Churches like Rev Heard's would be churches used to further political agendas for organizations like the NAACP."

That is a strong statement. On what evidence do you make that claim? I was not aware that Reverend Heard's church had been publicly connected to the NAACP.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 11 months ago

@JACOB,

I'm not sure if you will find a NAACP yearbook and find pictures of the "reverends" from around town in it. With the fact that certain traditionally black churches preach politics from the pulpit, I think it is a simple "connect the dots."

Here is a picture from the Herald with Rev. Heard fraternizing with a former president of the NAACP. Is it concrete evidence of a hidden (or not so hidden) agenda of these churches? No. What are your thoughts?

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