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Squawk of the day - April 24, 2013

"Only in Albany can a person go into to restaurant begging for money, refuse to leave, start a fight and the owner and staff of the business be arrested for defending themselves and ejecting a troublemaker."

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Cartman 1 year ago

As $250,000.00 worth of signs say - Welcome to Albany!

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whattheheck 1 year ago

Perhaps this is the type person we anticipate "welcoming" these days, non-working, non-taxpaying.who like what Albany has to offer.

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Abytaxpayer 1 year ago

Let's not forget all this while a APD officer sat and watched..... Hmmm maybe that's why the police cars no longer say "To Protect aand Serve"

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

He or she might not have been in any condition to protect and serve. It's an oyster bar, correct?

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Abytaxpayer 1 year ago

O Heck NO don't try and cloud the issue with "What IFs". He is an APD officer and you try to excuse his lack of action because you “speculate” he may not have been in any condition! Well how did he get there and how did he leave. .... STOP making excuses. Expect nothing more and you get nothing more. Set the bar low enough and anyone can make it!

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

Because you were there and know what happened first hand? Oh yeah, you read an article just like me.

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agirl_25 1 year ago

What a wonderful choice of a squawk for today and I could not agree more. How true, how true.

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dickyboy 1 year ago

Few years back the Herald ran a story that the main source of income in Albany were government checks (entitlements)... so what do you expect... so many healthy males getting 700 bucks a month SSI..I've asked some who get it why? Depression, slow learners, mental problems that can't be diagnosed, etc..when I applied for Social Security at age 66..they said they must check me out to see if I'm eligible for SSI..told them not to bother.. they told me they have to...of course I got a denial letter.. but that's what we're ddealing with

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ZCorp 1 year ago

Um, Sir, your not too bright, are you ? Social Security is paid into by the worker, over a period of many working years. Sponsors are the Goverment, but paid by you, the worker. Social Security is " AKA NOT " Welfare ! Political foolishiness aside, do not confuse the two. You were denied ? Then you must have not paid into the system or worked under the table or are on welfare yourself ? Please, when you comment, try to sound somewhat smart. Albany and Leesberg Georgia are Beautiful compared to some other cities in the United States, just you seem to not appreciate what you have ! Think Before You Comment ! Peace

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Sister_Ruby 1 year ago

You know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. It's called "Disability" and it's paid for out of the Social Security program. And billions and billions of dollars per year are scammed out of the program by thousands and thousands of perfectly healthy people who will lie in order to not have to work for a living and find some scamming doctor to write them up so they get whatever they want.

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ZCorp 1 year ago

Not every Doctor is a scammer. You know , you have " Anger Issues " Sister Ruby, I would really suggest seeking the help of a Full License Mental Medical Health Care Professional. how is it to go thru life with such hatred of everyday, day in and day out ? You comment almost on every story with such anger, other people have different views then you. accept it. What is it like to live in your shoes and mindset every day ? Cannot imagine living in such an angry state like you ? May God have mercy on you, I will say a prayer for you.

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Shinedownfan 1 year ago

Sister_Ruby is a gift from God, He has given her wisdom and wit and she is amazing. Don't mess with her!

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ZCorp 1 year ago

You need professional help

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FryarTuk 1 year ago

I think your coffee had not kicked in when you responded to dicky's note. Read it again before your vitriol re-surges. He was "required" to apply for SSI before being approved for SSA retirement and was denied the SSI payment. Do you comprehend the difference? "SSI" is the acronym for Supplemental Security Income aka malingerers' dole. SSA retirement aka as workers' investments comes from workers payments into our accounts. "SSI" dba as welfare payment comes from what workers paid as well though recipients aren't necessarily to be confused as workers. Process AND think before you comment. PEACE and PROSPERITY!

BTW our region is a beautiful community but Albany is a mendicant city.

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agirl_25 1 year ago

Tsk, tsk, shame on you for calling those on SSI malingers. SSI is also for those over 65 with limited income. When I worked as a home health nurse I met many people who were fine, upstanding people, lots of elderly women who had worked as housemaids and cooks all their lives and had little or no FICA for Social Security taken from their checks by their employers and got very little in the way of a pension. They had to depend on the SSI to survive. Many of the elderly men we had as patients had worked as farm laborers and had the same small pensions and so many were sick from years of exposure to harsh farm chemicals. Please don't think everyone who receives SSI is some lazy bum out to rip off Uncle Sam. I could take you to the homes of some truly fine people who, after all these years, I still call friend and am proud to visit them. And ZCorp, if you see this, do you now understand the difference between SS. SSD and SSI?

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

Good one Fryar. Vitriol, priceless. :)

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agirl_25 1 year ago

It is my understanding from reading dickeyboy's post that he applied for and got his SS (Social Security), but was told he was denied SSI, which is entirely seperate. I went on SSD (Social Security Disability) at age 59 because of spinal injuries and had to go thru the same thing. It is routine and something they do for everyone. SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is funded by the general tax fund, not Social Security and is set at a maximum of $710 per month for an individual and is not taxable. When someone is on SSI they usually are on MediCAID and not MediCARE so that is what people usually are referring to when they say someone is on welfare. And dickeyboy is right, most of the disabilities are "slowhead". When I worked as a visiting nurse in some of the poorest counties in SW Georgia I had young children tell me they had no desire to "be" anything when they grew up - - "Mama dun said the guv'ment gonna take care of us" and all he had to do was what mama told him to get his "crazyhead check".

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FryarTuk 1 year ago

whatagirl! said: " SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is funded by the general tax fund, not Social Security . . . "

I do understand there are deserving citizens who get SSI checks. My point is, the funds still come out from taxes paid by workers and, to be sure, businesses and there a lot of people who receive SSI payments who shouldn't. There is a host of research article available. I would leave you one note from the U.S. Gov. Info. page:

" Updated August 06, 2009 Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a federal government benefit program providing cash to meet basic needs for food, clothing, and shelter to persons who are blind or otherwise disabled and have little or no other income. Monthly SSI benefits are paid to persons with limited income and resources who are disabled, blind, or age 65 or older. Blind or disabled children, as well as adults, can qualify to get SSI benefits.

SSI is Different From Social Security Benefits

While SSI benefits are administered by the Social Security Administration, SSI benefits do not require and are not based on the recipient's prior work or a family member's prior work. In other words, no current or prior employment is required to qualify for SSI benefits.

Unlike Social Security benefits, SSI benefits are funded by general funds from the U.S. Treasury generated by income taxes paid be individuals and corporations. " (my emphasis)

Semantics? Perhaps but I pay taxes gladly. I just want them used in the best possible way for the best reasons and I think largesse recipients should know that Treasury revenue comes from hard working persons and entities.

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agirl_25 1 year ago

Well thank you Fryar, for clearing that up. When I worked I met very few on SSI who got the maximum to supplement their small SS checks but as I said before...I met many fine men and women who all appreciated what they got. I miss them too. I pay taxes gladly too, and know that even if millions are squandered on people who don't deserve it, at least I know some who do. I tell myself they are the ones receiving my share I paid in.

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Jax 1 year ago

LMAO "...your not too bright, are you?" Not the best way to begin questioning the intelligence of another, and you didn't do yourself any favors by typing the rest of that drivel.

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ZCorp 1 year ago

Well, no one asked you ? Plus I do not care about grammar, I am doing great in my life, so, worry about you, not other people fool

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Jax 1 year ago

"...no one asked you ?" Was that a question? I don't believe anyone asked for your input either, but this is a public forum where everyone's opinion is welcome. It is painfully obvious you don't care for grammar...fool.

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ZCorp 1 year ago

Yes, everyone is welcome, even the simple minded who like to feel big on grammar, oh 1 more thing, €£>%^*+<~|%,%><%, LOL

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ZCorp 1 year ago

Yea, my grammar is not great, but I live a great life, better then most in this economic nightmare. So, deal with it troll,,oh, I am still right.

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Jax 12 months ago

My god, man, my point was don't question the intelligence of someone when you can't differentiate between "your" and "you're". I, too, live a great life, but I know how to write correctly. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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hotdog 1 year ago

I respectfully disagree with most of your comment

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erock 1 year ago

Any credibility that the panhandler may have had as to what happened at AJ's went out the window once he was arrested later for a separate incident. Therefore I think the charges should be dropped.

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lowercasejesus 1 year ago

Convert the ol mosquito trucks to spray condoms out in poor neighborhoods

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waltspecht 1 year ago

Assault is exactly what it entails legally. There are very few instances where you can legally place your hands on another individual. Don't like it, get the law changed. Funny how those laws to protect us tend to bite us.

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43cop 1 year ago

Hooray for Albany. A panhandler comes into your place of business, disrupts the entire establishment and the owner, assistant manager and a waitress goes to jail for protecting their business and customers. JUSTICE at it's finest. As a law enforcement officer for 40+ years, we were required to get all the facts from all involves before locking up SELECTED people. Alvin, the majority of law abiding citizens are backing you 100%.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

You weren't a detective were you?

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ZCorp 1 year ago

I am sure there was a good reason for the decision. We do not need disorder. The police did their job. Bravo

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RedEric 1 year ago

Wow, what an ignorant comment.

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

Hey Zcorp, the panhandler was the primary aggressor because he pushed Alvin first. The article plainly states this fact. The panhandler was asked to leave and he did not. At this point, the panhandler is trespassing and could be arrested just for trespassing. Alvin was defending himself, and did not start the initial fight. Alvin should not have been arrested, because he was mearly protecting his business, property, and himslef. Then, we have a bozo investigator that saw everything and did nothing. I have been a cop before, and I know how this works. RedEric is correct, your comment is ignorant and lacks logic as well.

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

The truth sometimes can hurt.

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hotdog 1 year ago

Bulldawgs your first statement is incorrect.....re read the article....the waitress pushed the idiot panhandler first

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

I was referring to who Alvin was pushed first by the idoit panhandler. Alvin, then defended himself and was later arrested for defending himself in his business on his property. The panhandler pushing the waitress is a seperate incident as far as the charges would go. The waitress would be the primary aggressor in her altercation with the panhandler. Alvin was not the primary aggressor. So my statement was not incorrect as it referrs to Alvin.

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Thurman 1 year ago

@ "Zcorp"--WRONG! I personally know people who are drawing Social Security who never paid a dime into the S.S. system. I do not understand how they do this. A couple of them have told me that they just go to the S.S. office, make the application, and get approved. I personally paid into the S.S. system for forty-two (42) years and have a friend who never paid in drawing within $200/month of what I draw. As has been stated many time over: "Somethings wrong with this system".

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RedEric 1 year ago

Something IS wrong, but planned. Using the funds paid in by workers and promised by our government that it would be used for nothing else but repaying us. It has become a slush fund for every hair brained liberal giveaway they can think of. They want to deplete these funds so all retired people will be dependent on government and would therefore join the dependent voting bloc.

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agirl_25 1 year ago

But remember Red, the SSI will keep being paid because it comes from TAX PAYERS thru the U. S. Treasury Department's GENERAL FUND. The Social Security payments are paid by the Social Security Administration from F.I.C.A, or the Federal Insurance Contributions Act that is taken from worker's paychecks.

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trudy2 1 year ago

How many of you on the post patrol were at scene as the events occurred ? Did any one of you actually see and hear what happened ?

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

No, but we know how the law is SUPPOSED to work. "Primary aggressor" means in a domestic dispute, which the AJ's situation was, the primary aggressor is arrested almost all the time. The panhandler assaulted Alvin, first, and Alvin then defended himslef against his attacker. Look up "assault" in the GA Law code book online, and you can read the law as it pertains to various levels and types of assault. Also, check out the family violence act law for further elaboration about the primary aggressor.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

Who said that the black kid was the "primary aggressor?"

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

This is the code for simple assault: O.C.G.A. 16-5-20 (2010) 16-5-20. Simple assault

(a) A person commits the offense of simple assault when he or she either:

(1) Attempts to commit a violent injury to the person of another; or

(2) Commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.

Taken form the GA code book.

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KaosinAlbany 1 year ago

I have been complaining to the city for years about the growing panhandler problem. I warned them that violence would happen one of these days and it did. I told you City Leaders to make an ordinance before it got out of hand so the cops can arrest people like the fool in AJ's.

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KaosinAlbany 1 year ago

I just want the "aggressive panhandling" to stop. There are some who will trap you in your vehicle, block you from going in or out of a business, etc.

Also, there are some businesses who chase them off but some will not and I tend not to do business with people who allow this on their property. It really is a business killer.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

I'm going to take a page out of the anti gun control argument's play book. Criminals won't follow the law.

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URWrongAgain 12 months ago

LOL, Best post of the week.

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Abytaxpayer 1 year ago

@ K One of the last ones I had come into my shop and refused to leave after being asked by two people. I walked up and showed him my Ga carry permit (In bold letters is say “GEORGIA WEAPONS CARRY LICENSE”) and ask him did he want to walk out or go out on a stretcher? He walked out.

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hotdog 1 year ago

They got arrested for beating the man up....the use of excessive force....but part of me says he should have gotten beat up for begging in someone else's place of business

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KaosinAlbany 1 year ago

The guy was messing with the waitress' tip money. I would be ticked off too if it were me. The guy should have left when asked instead of being the aggressor. The guy should have been charged with trespassing at least and not got off scott free.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

He got beat up, he didn't get off "scott-free."

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VSU 1 year ago

If he didn't receive any broken bones he got off scott free.

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VSU 1 year ago

The bum had no business being in their bothering those patrons and disrupting business, plain and simple.

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waltspecht 1 year ago

Now look at this realiticly. Was the Panhandler of diminished capacity? Was the correct signage in place? Both Solicitation and Trespass? Were the authorities at least called before the Staff decided to take actions which could be construed as a degree of assault? If the individual went after the TIPs, why wasn't he charged with theft? Will the Off-duty Officers actions, or lack thereof, be investigated? Is it APD policy that off duty means don't involve yourself, or was this a personal decision on their part due to the fact that they were drinking? Was the Officer armed, and what is the policy of armed Officers imbibing in alochol? Just some questions everyone should be looking for answers to.

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

If you are a cop and off duty, you are still a cop and should involve yourself when the law needs to be upheald.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

What if he is under the influence of alcohol?

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

Maybe cops should not drink in public so they can be of help when needed. I know this wouild never work. However, this situation is a prime example of why cops should not drink in public. If a cop is drunk, however, they would not be able to help the situation.

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Bulldawg 1 year ago

The article never said the cop was drinking. It would be incumbent on the officer to determine if they are to impaired by alcohol to help.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

You are correct, the article didn't say if he was drinking. I was trying to think of reasons the off duty officer didn't step in.

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VSU 1 year ago

You are right Bulldawg, I have read and seen on the news several times where off duty cops stepped in and helped out in tough situations. This cop didn't care, he's thinking he doesn't get paid enough on the job, to hell with doing anything off the job.

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trudy2 1 year ago

VSU, armed with the information you have, you should report your findings to Chief Proctor. I'm sure he could use your help in making a decision on this "uncaring" officer who at the time of the incident "was thinking he doesn't get paid enough and to H with doing anything off the job".

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

So a young man solicits money from patrons, is asked to leave, and does not do so right away. Employees then use racial slurs to convince him to leave, which gets him moving towards the door. A waitress pushes him as he is going towards the door which incites a fight that is far from a fair one.

Everyone handled the situation poorly. The kid should have left when management made the request. Any employees or patrons who used racial slurs are cowards and part of the problem. The employee who pushed the young man is part of the problem. Any person who cowardly beat up the young man is part of the problem. Pardon me for not sticking up for the good ole boy and his pals.

If this happened in East Albany the song would be much different. Racism is alive and well my friends...

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VSU 1 year ago

"Racism is alive and well my friends"

racism....Black or white will never die.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 12 months ago

I guess it is okay as long as everyone else is doing it.

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fcarroll 1 year ago

How do we know the true nature behind why the person was having to ask for money? Racism is not directed entirely towards colors, we all are guilty. I know a young couple that was leaving that same bar last year, a patron came in, shoved the girl as she was in front of her husband, the husband as the man not to push his wife and he got beat pretty bad and the owner nor other employees offered to help, why? Were they afraid of the bully. I agree with Sherwood on this one.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

This might be a first, fcarroll.

See, I'm not so bad. :)

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waltspecht 1 year ago

They were probably dealing with a known problem and didn't want to get hurt themselves. Remember there are some groups that even if you win the fight you didn't start their buddies will jump you to make sure you lose the fight if not your life. The Gangs refer to it as tending to business, and no I don't mean just the Black gangs, for there are indeed Families that are nothing more than a gang of thugs. Either be willing to end it permanently, or stay out of it.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year ago

I guess it was easy for the good ole boys to beat up the little black kid in the white bar.

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ZCorp 1 year ago

The comments are " Hilarious " !

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lowercasejesus 1 year ago

Just a quick comment for the baby boomers b*tching about ss payouts. Let me remind you people in my generation will not get ss payouts or at best a fraction of what we pay into. Thanks to all the hypocritical war on drugs type govt programs your guilty conscience has supported for decades now. Just get older and fade away already.

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lowercasejesus 1 year ago

Ok so im racist youre racist hes racist shes racist that was racist blah blah blah blah. Whats the end game after everyone has declared everyone else racist? Is the goal in albany to market yourself as king of the non racists to help you sleep better at night? Nevermind the racist church you support bc god called you and said its ok. Why the blank should i put any stock in such drivel?

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 12 months ago

Is there anyone in particular to whom you are referring? If you don't have a reason to want the status quo to change in Albany's race-war then I guess you shouldn't put any, "stock in such drivel."

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