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Squawk of the Day - Feb. 5, 2013

"The squawk about the tax on used cars is dumb. You pay tax on everything, including new cars. You should have to pay a tax when you buy a car from Joe Blow down the street. In the past car sales between individuals cheated the state out of the sales tax, and when you cheat the state you are cheating the citizens of Georgia."

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 2 months ago

When the government blows that tax revenue on stupid stuff or misappropriates it, who is cheating whom?

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bigbob 1 year, 2 months ago

You know this sqwuaker is a car dealer because no one is dumb enough to worry about the government screwing us out of enough taxes. All this bill does is help car dealers & hurts a person selling one car.

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dickyboy 1 year, 2 months ago

The good Fryar is not going to like this squawk but the state has problems.... I've never bought a car from an individual cause I want some kind of a warranty..sort of like Amazon not getting sales tax...we need all the help we can get...

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FryarTuk 1 year, 2 months ago

"...we need all the help we can get..." but let's pass laws prudently, openly and squarely speaking clearly to the Georgia citizens.

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rightasrain 1 year, 2 months ago

Accordingly then, the squawker would be happy if the state required citizens to purchase a special permit (prepay taxes on estimated sales) to have a yard sale or a trunk sale at the Flea Market; or an increase in tag fees; even the great possibility of taxing the mileage driven the previous year when you go in to purchase your tag. The big boys in Atlanta got mad because the majority of the counties voted down SPLOST and as was reported in the Herald, "We'll get the money by other means." They had their "tantrum" and placed into law this assinine tax on private citizens purchasing a used vehicle from another private citizen; they also did away with the Energy Tax (P&G, Miller, Thrush, and other industries in the state) were paying. Who's picking up that tab now? You guessed it...the voter. All these politicians are working (oops...misnomer) dedicated to taking everything we earn, leaving the citizen penniless and without power. One local representative boldly stated that he is not there to do the will of the constituents, but to do what HE decides is best. That's why I will work to oust him in his re-election bid.

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dingleberry 1 year, 2 months ago

Isn't the "energy tax" what the state allowed the counties to continue if desired and didn't DoCo make the decision to continue it? If so, the purported economic benefits from cutting the energy tax don't exist.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 2 months ago

"You pay tax on everything . . . " boy is that the truth.

By your logic the energy tax should never be discontinued. The unwholesomeness of the Rynders' GOP tax act has a number of repulsive elements: it is ineptly constructed which Rynders' admits; it is a small business killer which is admitted in one AH article; it deters new job growth; it is a new tax for workers and businesses who rely on leased vehicles to survive; HB 386 is Obama's WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION with Georgia GOP finesse- the megacorporations are relieved from paying an energy tax with with new taxes placed on working people and small businesses to compensate for the revenue loss from the megacorps; the law does not address spending it shifts the burden of the tax from the megacorps to those least able to pay it - the middle class workers and small businesses; regarding private sales the GOP feels entitled to invade private party transactions for taxation purposes. Where does that stop? I have a friend who owns an enormous antique gun collection with guns that are worth huge sums of money. Folks of like interest meet in their private homes share their collections then maybe trade, swap or sell to their hearts' content. Should that be taxed? Where does others' entitlement to your work and achievements end and your rights begin. Apparently Rynders and the GOP think never. GA HB 386 allows the value added tax to rise to 9%. Do you think the tax will stay 6.5% very long? How do you like them apples.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 2 months ago

Do you think the remarks above are the "typical knee-jerk" commentary that the AH reporter had in mind?

Bill will boost Southwest Georgia economy By Carlton Fletcher For the radical "no taxes" crowd, whose reaction to recent media information about House Bill 386 and its impact on motor vehicle taxes in the state has resulted in typical knee-jerk commentary, an area state legislator has a suggestion: Read the bill.

MY NOTE: Guess who really should have read the bill before he voted YEA.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 2 months ago

LEST WE FORGET (verbatim no emphasis added)

New law will 'double tax' auto leases By J.D. Sumner As of Tuesday, January 29, 2013 ALBANY, Ga. — The state's new "birthday tax" law could have a chilling effect on the number of people who get car leases because of a little known part of the law dealing specifically with those types of transactions. ‘ But one portion of the law that appears to have been missed by some will impact those consumers who choose to lease vehicles rather than buy.

According to Dougherty County Tax Director Denver Hooten, the current Georgia law requires leasees to pay a monthly fee based on a percentage of the base lease amount as a sales tax to the state and local governments. In Dougherty County, that is 7 percent.

Under the new law that starts March 1, not only will that tax continue, but people who lease vehicles will also have to pay the 6.5 percent title fee that people who are buying vehicles must pay — a move that some believe will discourage people from leasing vehicles and could have a negative impact on the car industry.

"Oh it'll kill it," Hooten says. "I know I would think twice about leasing a vehicle for two years when I have to pay 6.5 percent up front plus the monthly sales tax."

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FryarTuk 1 year, 2 months ago

Do you think the remarks above are the "typical knee-jerk" commentary that the AH reporter had in mind?

Bill will boost Southwest Georgia economy By Carlton Fletcher For the radical "no taxes" crowd, whose reaction to recent media information about House Bill 386 and its impact on motor vehicle taxes in the state has resulted in typical knee-jerk commentary, an area state legislator has a suggestion: Read the bill.

MY NOTE: Guess who really should have read the bill before he voted YEA.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 2 months ago

Entia non sunt multiplicanda. Repeated above by mistake.

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chinaberry25 1 year, 2 months ago

I have heard and do not know for a fact, you do not pay tax at all on food stamp items. Is this true? If not, you should. Next we will have a new law on groceries. Florida pays no income tax and no taxes on groceries. They have legalized gambling, so that may be a thing we could look at in Georgia. I do not gamble, but it is as old as prostitution. Going to do it anyway. All the states around us are getting money from Georgia.

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SMHgain 1 year, 2 months ago

@chinaberry25, I have a relative that is receiving food stamps and according to her, she does NOT pay sales tax on her groceries.

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dmyers80 1 year, 2 months ago

I agree a few casinos and race tracks in GA would really boost the states economy!!

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sld28sld 1 year, 2 months ago

The reason that food stamp users aren't paying taxes on food items is because it would be the government (a government agency doles out the tax payer's money in the form of food stamps) would be taxing themselves. Government isn't going to tax themselves no matter how much we state it isn't fair that taxes aren't charged on these purchases. I too have family that have to use food stamps (elderly relatives who worked all their lives and Social Security isn't enough to meet expenses and afford groceries also).

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FlunkyMonkey 1 year, 2 months ago

So I wonder if the squawker puts himself in the "sells anything" category. For instance, I wonder if the squawker has ever gone to the flea market and purchased something. Wonder how he would feel having to pay tax on an item considered to be "one man's trash but another man's treasure."

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RedEric 1 year, 2 months ago

But if you let the Little People keep their money they will do foolish things like buy another TV or furniture they don't need. The Elites need more rules so they can make our lives better without all the fuss.

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dingleberry 1 year, 2 months ago

And when we don't have enough rules, we have nothing to use as a yardstick to determine when penalties need to be passed out to those who disobey government and its desires for us.

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Bulldawg 1 year, 2 months ago

So I guess the squawker thinks it's Ok for the government to cheat us taxpayers out of our money. A good example would be Nancy Pelosi flying back and forth from California at least once a month on a govt. plane on the taxpayers dime. The same would go for the President as well using air force one for "personal" vacations. Just sayin....

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ustaknow 1 year, 2 months ago

DEMOPUBLICANS passed this bill. It is double taxation

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whattheheck 1 year, 2 months ago

The squawker needs to encourage the state to do a better job of collecting the sales tax under laws already in effect. Go to https://etax.dor.ga.gov/TaxExecution/Search.aspx and do a search for unpaid taxes due the state. Businesses collect sales taxes from us and don't pay the state, keeping the money for years until adjudicated or going out of business leaving us with an empty bag. The collection process is too unwieldy and we pay the price for the inept.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 2 months ago

That is the abolute gospel truth. There are million$ upon million$ of uncollected sales tax dollars. If GA just collected its sales tax there would be less need for other taxes and certainly the ruling GOP would not have to create more. They just need to go to DOR and get the sales tax collection reorganized and repaired. Maybe turn it over to county tax offices to collect. You don't pay your sales tax your customers paid you for the month, gimme your tag or close your doors. Give'm 20 days to turn the tax money in and if they don't send the sheriff out to close the store. Just in DOCO and Lee there are hundreds of sales tax bills that have gone 10 years without collecting. I believe sales tax is exempt from bankruptcy.Georgia Republicans just don't want to refine or repair existing administrative structures to make things work (nor do the democarats). It's an easy fix to tax the middle class people who do not have a lobbyist in Atlanta to put money in the political cofers.

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Cartman 1 year, 2 months ago

No new taxes! Any new tax will later grow.

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Amazed2 1 year, 2 months ago

Guess I dont agree with paying tax on a car everytime it is sold?? When it is bought new yes I agree but after that its not a new product. Taxes were paid already related to it being sold and put into service. If the car gets sold 12 times in a year why should the gov get new taxes each sale. Just does not seem to be the right way to handle it Basically the politicians looked at this and said hey here is where we can get some more money.

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bigbob 1 year, 2 months ago

@amazed2, You could never be a politician you make way to much sense.

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sld28sld 1 year, 2 months ago

Have you ever gone to an antique store and bought anything? Taxes are paid on those purchases and those items aren't "new". Ever gone to a consignment shop and made a purchase? Taxes are paid on those purchases as well. If I'm not mistaken, even purchases made at Goodwill or the Salvation Army are taxed. So why should cars be exempt?

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budcollier1956 1 year, 2 months ago

Couple of quick points (retiring as I long past realized commenting is self-serving and pretty much useless to effectuate any positive change): (1) I read (admitted briefly, who would labor to to otherwise) HB386, probably moreso than many who voted on it. (2) Anyone who disagrees with a politician's own agenda or opinion is quickly dismissed by being either uninformed or by "giving a knee-jerk reaction", thinking that they alone know best what is the good for the rest of us or they alone possess the capacity for reason. (3) The Bill is, in summary, a revenue raising bill. It shifts tax burden from special sector interest of manufacturing, agriculture and etc to the general population under the assumption that those special interest sectors will, in the process strengthen the general economy. That would be more true if the exempted equipment, goods and etc were produced in Georgia. But still there is logic in the thinking. (4) In my opinion (you think as you will) the mechanics of the bill (how it is written) is very poor, written as one who through a mirage of percentages, whereas, whereins, in cases of and other complicated twisted jargons attempts to hit a preconceived revenue allocation target. It is much too complicated, verbose and like most bills lacking in the most essential trait of good legislation: simplicity to be understood and made practical. (5) The vehicle tax provisions appears to be, as one has previously put it, inept. Ed commented that these provisions will be worked out or tweeted. My opinion, get it right the first time, one can't fix stupid, but in politics and government, who tries. (6) The most "misleading" issue is the need to have a provision to tax casual sales of tangible personal property such as automobiles and flee markets. Fact is, the Georgia Code already has that statutary authority and executes that authority (when it arbitrarily chooses to do so). Many private sales of auto are taxed, receiving notices from the Ga Dept of Rev when the title changes. I know, I had to pay it. Ga can by law impose and collect sales tax on everything from yard sales to boats. No new law is required. What is not taxed is internet sales which is the biggest tax inequity perpetrated by the State. Local business who maintain (taxed) facilities and (taxed) inventories making (taxed) sales cannot compete against the billions of dollars of sales-tax free goods shipped into local communities. If HB386 was serious about raising revenue and equitable taxation it should have attacked the tax free internet sales that is putting thousands out of work and making ghost towns out of retail Georgia. (7) In summary.... good or bad .. we the taxpayer are having endure HB386, to choke on it as we do the rest of the ill contrived, ill reasoned garbage coming from a broken political process.

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waltspecht 1 year, 2 months ago

I always thought it was the Politician's job to write laws so full of gray areas, you needed to hire their son the Lawyer to tell you what they said. Or am I wrong about that?

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B4it 1 year, 2 months ago

Walt... whereas you may have the demograhically purpotuity to inquire in a quizically formal matter, your desire for an equatable resolution to the above referenced commentary is admirable. In other simpler non-politicianed words, you are correct. Just wanted to try to add some humor for the day.

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