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Deerfield declines to leave GISA for GHSA

David L. Davies is the headmaster at Deerfield-Windsor School.

David L. Davies is the headmaster at Deerfield-Windsor School.

ALBANY, Ga. — Deerfield-Windsor is staying.

It took weeks of study, a committee that researched every avenue possible, a poll survey among parents and almost two hours of discussion Thursday night from 24 members of DWS' Board of Trustees, but in the end the Board voted for Deerfield-Windsor to stay in the Georgia Independent School Association.

For weeks, the private school had debated leaving for the Georgia High School Association, which includes public and private schools, but a survey of parents indicated a 60-40 split that wanted to stay. After lengthy discussions on Thursday night in a meeting with one item on the agenda, the board voted to stay in the GISA.

"There was broad discussion on both sides,'' Deerfield-Windsor Headmaster Dave Davies said. "This was an important decision. It was as difficult a decision as I have ever seen a board have to make because of the unknowns.''

In the end, that was the biggest hurdle for Deerfield. There were just too many questions that were left unanswered. What region would the teams compete in? Would DWS compete in Class A or Class AA? How would travel be affected?

"It is rare you have to make a decision with so many unknowns and so many things that could change,'' Davies said.

The GHSA will reclassify its schools this summer and couldn't give Deerfield a definitive answer on what region — or even what classification — the school would be competing in in the GHSA. The feeling was DWS would land in Region 1-A, but there has been speculation that private school enrollments might have to be evaluated with a multiplier system. Many public schools in the GHSA want the enrollments of private schools to be multiplied by 1.5, which would put DWS in Class AA.

The genesis for wanting to leave the GISA came from the dwindling number of competitive schools in the association, especially in Class AAA, where three of Deerfield's biggest and most competitive rivals — Mount de Sales, Tattnall Square and Stratford — recently bolted for the GHSA.

There was a fear that the level of competition had dropped to the point that it would be difficult for DWS to find opponents to fill its schedule, especially in football and basketball. A committee was formed last month to look into the feasibility of leaving, a survey was handed out to parents and the school looked seriously into the possibility of leaving the GISA.

It came down to Thursday's vote.

Davies said the school would not release the numbers of the vote, and said only that it was a difficult decision for the 24 members who attended the meeting. There are 29 members on the Board of Trustees.

"I know there are people who have agonized over the last couple of months over this decision,'' Davis said.

One of the key factors was the feelings of the parents.

"We did a survey of parents and got nearly 300 responses,'' Davies said. "We asked them what should be the deciding factor? They said, 'No. 1, school culture/atmosphere. No. 2, level of competition.' ''

DWS was under pressure to make a decision and had to file with the GHSA by April 1 in order to compete for a two-year cycle, beginning in 2014. Davies said the school might consider looking into the next cycle when the school could apply after the 2015 season.

DWS Athletic Director Gordy Gruhl, who is also the boys basketball coach, said he would work hard to find competition and agreed that the biggest problem with making the move was the uncertainty of what life in the GHSA would be like for DWS.

"You make a move like this, and you want answers,'' Gruhl said. "I think a lot of people feel that way. We don't know where we would be going, and we can't get answers. We don't know what region we would be in. We don't know if they will use the multiplier and if we would be Class A or Class AA. When you make a change of this magnitude, people want more definitives.''

Deerfield has been a member of a private school league for more than 40 years and was a charter member of the GISA when the association was formed in 1986. The athletic program has been as dominant as any in GISA, winning multiple state titles.

The general consensus among coaches in the GHSA is that Deerfield would have been competitive in Region 1-A in all sports, but Deerfield would have been the only private school in the region. Davies pointed out after the meeting that the closest private school was 80 miles away in Columbus.

"I have had dozens of discussions with the headmasters at George Walton Academy and FPD (First Presbyterian Day) in Macon,'' Davis said of two schools that left two years ago for the GHSA. "I've asked them how their experience has been in the GHSA, and they said it has been very positive. Both have said that they play private schools in their region. Our nearest private school would be in Columbus, 80 miles away.''

Board Chair Mark Lane echoed that sentiment.

“Deerfield-Windsor is in a unique geographical location for an independent school,'' Lane said. "Although there are numerous GISA member schools nearby, the nearest GHSA independent school is 80 miles away. We are a private school and believe that the GISA serves our overall needs at this time. We will continue to monitor our competitive situation over the next two years, and the Board will again consider our membership in 2015.”

Another factor was the uncertainty of whether the GHSA, which went to a public school/private school split this year, holding separate state tournaments, would continue with that format.

“We are concerned about all of the uncertainties in the GHSA at the present time,'' Davis said. "The public/private split is less than a year old and is tenuous at best. Talk of a possible enrollment multiplier has been considered by state legislators, and our region cannot be determined. In many of our athletic and literary programs, the level of competition in the GISA is more than sufficient to challenge our athletes and students. In those sports where we are more dominant, we will work harder to find opponents, including those out of state, who will challenge our teams.”

That's the answer for DWS: Find better competition to make up for the loss of schools such as Mount de Sales, Tattnall Square and Stratford, three Macon schools which will likely play each other in the same region in the GHSA. Deerfield doesn't have that geographical luxury.

"I was looking forward to the challenge of competing in the GHSA,'' said DWS football coach Allen Lowe, who has won three of the last five GISA Class AAA state football titles, including this year's crown. "We will go back to preparing our team to be as competitive as we can be. It's all about the kids.''

Lowe has been creative in finding tougher competition and played Florida Christian, a powerhouse from Tallahassee, the past two years.

"We have 17 sports and two literary events,'' Davies said. "We are very strong in some sports and not as strong in others. Our GISA peers are strong in some and not in others. In the sports we are strong, we are going to have to find more Florida Christians that can be competitive with us.''

That's the future for DWS now, to stay in the GISA and try to find better competition to make up for the loss of schools that have left for the GHSA.

Still, the debate will go on.

"We are going to keep a study group in existence,'' Davis said. "We will meet from time to time.''

Comments

Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

Why do you hate white people so much?

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

I see, Jacob. You specialize in "white guilt" is sounds like.

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

Jacob, if you enjoy white guilt, then you should read Jonothan Kozol's book "Amazing Grace". It's all white folks's fault and not a mention of the root cause of the problems which is behavioral and cultural and mainly due to the irresponsible and illegal actions of the males in that culture.

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Jacob 1 year, 5 months ago

Ruby, if you enjoy white supremecy, then you should read Mein Kamf. Its about... wait, you already know, I'm sure.

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

I'll just stick with the Bible, thanks.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

Because we know how "true" that is. Everybody's white in Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Sinai. Just stick with fiction S_R and see how that works for you.

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AnotherDWSParent 1 year, 5 months ago

Jacob since you are fond of "bursting bubbles" how about I pop yours. Your first comment illustrates how utterly misinformed you are on this topic you seem to know so much about. I attended both games against North Florida Christian. We lost both games to a team filled with "those fast, strong, aggressive black kids". Please educated yourself before speaking on a topic...you come off looking ignorant and foolish.

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Jacob 1 year, 5 months ago

Play Monroe High. See how that turns out.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

It would be unfair to most smaller schools to play a school in a higher classification. I could be wrong, but doesn't Monroe have more students than DWS?

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Jacob 1 year, 5 months ago

Does Monroe recruit athletes and pay them to play?

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

DWS doesn't recruit the best players from local public schools. If they did, then I would agree with your point.

I know they are recruiting for selfish reasons, but the fact still remains that those young men and women are getting an excellent education at DWS.

...and by, "pays them to play," do you mean that DWS gives them an $11k education for free?

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

DWS does recruit......have you seen the brothers on that basketball team lately? Im sure DWS didnt want them for their intellect.......they are full of it.....

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

I meant that they don't get the best players from the area.

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

Focus on the grammar...I will focus on the fact you are an idiot

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

lol @ Jacob!!!! They are scared as hell of the GHSA!!!! Those parents do not pay all that money so see their kids get whipped and embarrassed on friday nights.......

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

And you, why do YOU hate white people so much?

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

Well now ...look at who is playing victim ...the same person who was stupid and immature enough to come on a Monroe article and add nothing to the civil debate that was going on and not only contribute nothing to the discussion but post hey homieeeeeeez ...not once but on two separate articles....typical g.o.b bullcrap.....I am not surprised at all that they stayed....and I think Jacob is on to something,although I don't think that is the only reason, I do believe it was in the thought process of many on that board

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

The easiest, simplest solution to this so-called "problem" is for GHSA to allow member schools to schedule GISA schools in various sports.

BUT THEY ARE TOO CHICKEN SH** TO DO SO!!

So let's put the onus where it belongs in SOWEGA..........on the GHSA!!!!!

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

The easiest solution is to only have one high school league...but your good ole boy cronies are too chicke sh** to do so...so lets put the onus on where it belongs idiot....on the g.o.b.

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

Nope....here is proof positive.......the parents have spoken, (along with Davies).....we are scared!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

Speaking of scared, when is ASU gonna put VSU on their schedule so VSU can whip up on them again? Is ASU scared?

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TRUTH101 1 year, 5 months ago

When VSU can bring a decent crowd........ No use to pack out Valdosta High's stadium and make tens of thousands for VSU when they cant return the favor.......

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

Doesn't have a darn thing to do with it. VSU kicks their butt whether they play in Valdosta or Albany. Stick to the point not excuses. ASU has done enough of that already. "Well it was raining" Duh Huh, VSU had to play in the rain too and they still won.

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TRUTH101 1 year, 5 months ago

HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!! Football is a revenue sport. Why play Valdosta and make pennies (or nothing at all when the game is in Valdosta) when you can make $500,000 by playing in a classic?!?!?!?!?!?

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

There you go again, talking about the money. Forget about the money, grow some balls and play the big ones to see if you can do it. Why play Valdosta when you know you are gonna get you butt kicked is the better question. It's much more convenient to play weaker teams to make yourself look good, than to play teams like VSU knowing it will be an automatic loss on their side. People can laugh and make fun at Deerfield, but ASU is no better. Why don't they move into a tougher conference and see how well they do against the better teams. Forget about the money, think about team pride. They can continue to play against the jabronie teams to make themselves look good, then as usual fall flat on their face come playoff times when they play the big boys. While ASU was ending their season with a loss. VSU won themselves yet another National Championship. Something ASU can only dream about. Heck, VSU has won about as many championships as ASU has won playoff games.

I'm gonna stop talking about this now, because this story is about Deerfield, and not about ASU & VSU. There is nothing left to say, VSU has nothing to prove, ASU has a long way to go.

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TRUTH101 1 year, 5 months ago

Ummmmmm... Last time I checked ASU plays Gulf South/ SAC teams EVERY YEAR.... I didnt know it was mandatory to play VSU.......Why should we join the Gulf South when it is soooooo unstable????? As for national championships....you do realize that Albany State is defiantly not the only school that doesnt have a National Championship or do you just like to point that out..... You can not compare DWS to ASU. DWS PLAYS NOBODY. You can say ASU doges VSU (although history states otherwise) but even during the years we dont play VSU we still schedule "top notch" Gulf South/ SAC teams.....

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

Ummmmmmm....You just don't get it. ASU football does not schedule themselves to play VSU. Doesn't matter who ASU plays. It does not matter if Gulf Coast is unstable. It would not matter if ASU signed up to join the SEC. Bottom line is they will not play VSU. They took them off the schedule because they were tired of losing to them every year. After a few years off, ASU decided to give it one more shot in hoping the layoff will change their luck. They even mentioned making it a yearly event, but then VSU beat them again and no more talk of a yearly event. I bet had ASU won that game, they would have been on the schedule last year, but when VSU whipped them again, they said h&ll naw, we ain't getting our butts whupped by them anymore. I have to give ASU credit. They did find a way to keep from losing to VSU. Just simply don't play them.

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

ASU is still a better place to be than VSU.......I'd rather support the underdog who does not have millions to recruit with, than a money -made power-house built with greed and cheaters. ASU will always get my support.......I'd rather see them play FVSU anyday......Bring on the classic in Columbus again.....screw VSU.....HBCU's are awesome!!!!

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Somebody 1 year, 5 months ago

Just a cheap way of saying you support losers.

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

Sprawling around in the mud would be a better place for you.

VSU Rules!!!!! ASU Drools!!!!!!

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

PS You do realize I am just messing with you.

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dominiquedamac 1 year, 5 months ago

ASU has only three playoff wins in their history while VSU has three National Titles!

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dominiquedamac 1 year, 5 months ago

ASU does not play top notch GSC or SAC teams every year. ASU needs to win playoff games on a consistent basis but they can't seem to do that! LOL!

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

Yes y'all whip ASU on the regular across the board in all sports....hate it but it is true....hopefully the rams can do something about that...besides that your fans really don't show up at the games....perhaps if the rams would win more more blazers would attend

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

Yes they do whip ASU in all sports, but I give the baseball, softball, basketball, Tennis teams credit. At least they put VSU on their schedule. They know they are going to lose, but at least they have the courage to play them.

I remember a woman's basketball game last year between ASU & VSU. The ASU's women's team looked defeated before the game even started, but at some point late in the game they realized that VSU players were only human and made a comeback and almost won the game. So Kudos to the women's basketball team for not completely folding.

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

Deerfield is chicken!!!! hahahahahahaha

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

I told you the answer. But you prefer to play the stupid deaf mute clown who pretends he can't hear.

Hey, bsrn, tell me how the Monroe girls and boys tennis teams are doing this year? Is the Monroe golf team expected to win Region? How is Monroe doing in the Math and Science Bowl competition? Is Monroe's One Act Play going to make it to the final round? Are the Monroe girls and boys soccer teams expected to repeat this year (aka repeat "nothing")? Is Monroe launching a field hockey program this year? Is Monroe Baseball expected to win State finally?

OR ARE ALL THESE ACADEMIC AND ATHLETIC AREAS COMPLETELY VOID OF ANY REPRESENTATION AT MONROE AND VIRTUALLY ALL OTHER GHSA SCHOOLS FROM CLASS A TO AAAAAA THIS YEAR AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY YEAR FROM HENCEFORTH TO ETERNITY?

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought! So, if GHSA would just allow the GHSA teams to schedule GISA teams during the regular season, the question would be answered and bsrn would be stfu for a long while.

P.S. bsrn.........I thought y'all liked chicken?

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TRUTH101 1 year, 5 months ago

Can/Could you even afford to send your kids to DWS????? LOL How many times to do I have to tell you to hush all of that trailer park trash talk!!!

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

Why are u envious of black people so much??

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

I do envy the cars Blacks somehow afford to drive while 85% of the kids in DoCo schools get FRM and 25% of Blacks in the USA get food stamps. Not sure what % of DoCo Blacks get food stamps but I'd bet my bottom that it's higher than 25%. For example the couple I saw 3 weeks ago doing $100 EBT of the finest foodstuffs that Winn Dixie had to offer and then drove off in a late model Lexus SUV.

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

You envy Everything about black people....you secretly want to be one....yeah that's it....you want to be a Homie....as you so eloquently put it.... At least VSU may have issues with ALL people that disagree or do not share his views but you are an animal....an evil probably old simpleton who complains every topic about something to do with race or make a comment with prejudiced undertones.....what you really are is a jealous coward shell of an earthling who only wants to be divisive....you fantasize about black people whether it is Ma Dear or someone else.....you love black people so much you despise them.....your only retort is to make snide remarks about them.....you lust for blackness....lol

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

I'm a cult within itself. Hotdog, I have noticed a darker humourous side of you lately. I've never seen that in you before. Is this the new you? I kind of like it.

I used to compare your comments to an annoying fly at a picnic that wouldn't fly away, but some of your recent comments have been quite entertaining. I mean that in a good way.

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

Sister Ruby is just embarrassed that her favorite school Deerfield has shown her that they are scared of teams in the GHSA. So now she is trying to flip the script and try to point fingers at the GHSA. Now she tries to direct attention to Monroe for some stupid reason. I dont know what they are up to Sister Ruby, but I know Monroe and any other school in the GHSA with a decent athletic program cant whip Deerfield blindfolded. Deerfield just showed the world what we in the GHSA already knew.....THEY ARE SCARED!!!!!

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ObjectiveEyes 1 year, 5 months ago

So, IF your statement, "Monroe and any other school in the GHSA with a decent athletic program cant (I assume you meant "can") whip Deerfield blindfolded" is true, why would DWS want to move?

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

they dont want to move.......they want to stay and win championships against easy wimpy teams in the GISA.......they are not good enough to win in the GHSA!!! DUH!!!!

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

Why don't yall ever answer a question?

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

Who are you referring to when you say y'all??

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Sister_Ruby 1 year, 5 months ago

All yall that are responding to me but not answering the questions I asked.

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patcosh 1 year, 5 months ago

Deerfield parents are uninformed and so afraid of social interaction with the world outside their bubble!! This is nothing but a racist decision from a Segregation school .... lets just call it what it is! Won't they feel great when they are the big fish in a DRY pond!! They have now taken the competition out of sports .... Congratulations DWS Board of Trustees, your true colors are flying loud and clear and they are not Red & Blue. This vote/decesion is laughable at best and pitiful at the heart of it all! Where are the leaders at the school and why aren't they standing up for what is right and fair? Board members can keep their lily white environment but at the same time they hope to attract great athletes to enroll through the "Goal Program". I ask you why would an athlete want to come to DWS to play schools that are less than half their size and skill level. There is no one left to play!! A very sad day for this DWS parent of four student athletes! By the way ... did anyone on the Board bother to actually talk to the student athletes?

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patcosh 1 year, 5 months ago

I may have spoken these word's without thinking .... I apologize and certainly did not mean to call anyone a racist! I know that change is hard especially when a school has found a comfortable situation. I also know that there is more to this decision than just pure athletic competition. I certainly did not mean to offend anyone at DWS or on the Board. I am just disappointed for the kids who practice day in and day out and are interested in great competition and great sportsmanship.

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Ms_Rational 1 year, 5 months ago

You spoke the truth...don't back track now.

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voxpopuli 1 year, 5 months ago

What's laughable is your picture "lily white evnironment" and "Segregation school" in the same post. You must be blind as well as ignorant.

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

LOL@Truth!!!! Running Scared!!!! Too funny!!!!!

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TheItalian 1 year, 5 months ago

I dont see any problem with the decision. I mean, why lower yourself? Thats why the school is in existence anyway. Bring yourselfs up to Deerfields level, athletically and ACADEMICALLY, and we'll reconsider, otherwise, good luck to you.

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

No, dude, you bring your preppy little brats to the GHSA and see what real competition looks and feels like....then we can talk.....until then, keep your GISA and wimpy competition!!! GHSA rules !!!

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

Really wouldnt talk athletically since you only are competing against 15 schools for a state championship

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

I been to Deerfield...it's a good school, but it ain't the end all be all you think it is.....better than the govt regulated schools in the DCSS, BUT WHAT IS THAT REALLY SAYING

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TheItalian 1 year, 5 months ago

Also, why in the Heck do we have to constantly dumb ourselves down to your levels? Why dont you bring yourselfs up? Lace em up people! We have made incredible strides socially in this nation, but Deerfield exists because Dr Powell(fake name) is not going to send litlle Johnny to Monroe to get a sub standard edumacation and just so he can say he thinks progressively. Maybe you should aspire to send your kids to Deerfield? Would be an awesome, enlightening experience, one that could help your future generations. It really does suck that slevery existed, we get it. But you are only hurting yourself with this self pity, self loathing mentality. So, getting a great educaiton is now racist, wow! I wish Deerfield could only spread its curriculm throughout the SOWEGA region, GIVE SOME OF THE LOCAL KIDS A CHANCE, CAUSE, IT AINT RIGHT NOW FOR YOU. THINK PEOPLE, JUST THINK! I think I just changed my own mind, maybe a change of conference would be beneficial for the whole region. Good day and good luck to you.

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

'Dumb ourselves down to your levels'.....why not just say what you really feel...because this subject is about athletics...getting a great education is not racist but your comments are borderline....but hey many Italians have been hating "moo lies" for centuries....every since you found out why your skin was so much darker than the rest of the Europeans....lol

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FryarTuk 1 year, 5 months ago

Interscholastic sports would be better de-emphasized in all public schools and place the focus/resources on academic and vocational achievement. DWS is hardly more than a "seg' academy with the added value of safety that justifies its existence. If my child were in school today I would haul butt to Lee County which has a near excellent school system.

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chinaberry25 1 year, 5 months ago

What is really going to happen is that most of the private schools will go out of business in the next 10 years. Randolph Southern is already gone at the end of year. Others will follow and not many schools are left to play Deerfield in this area. The passage of the Charter school will kill most private schools. There is a certain mentality who thinks their children are better than the masses and a private school is the holy answer. Even in the counties that have great public schools. Their children are too good to associate with the common public mass. It is not really a racist thing just a mindset. The education they receive there is no better than say Westover. They live their lives around anything that happens at the schools. It is all social, nothing more. Most of these parents are living their lives around their kids and one day they wake up and the kids have flew the coop.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

I feel very enlightened on the reasons parents send their kids to private schools. Thank you, cb25.

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spookj6 1 year, 5 months ago

I don't think the fine citizens of Albany like to see nobody talking about their own like they talk about others. Seems like the gangbanging black kids got the pot smoking white kids upset. Now it seems like I'm fitting right in. I hope Yall get my point.

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

BTW black people smoke pot too, so we got the point that you fit in with all the other idiots.

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TRUTH101 1 year, 5 months ago

and whit kids gangbang.......or do I need to enlighten you on the origins of the American gang.......

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

Speaking of gangbang, what about the drive by shootings by Albany's fine gang citizens? People stand outside talking minding their own business and they drive by bang bang. There were 3 drive by's this past week alone. Those were not white kids driving by shooting.

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TRUTH101 1 year, 5 months ago

St. Valentines Day Massacre.....

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

No, the white kids are making meth and establishing grow houses in Lee County having every whim satisfied by parents working 2 jobs so the kids can go to DaWhiteSchool; screw parenting and actually being home for your children. Other people can raise them and then when the kid screws up we can blame the school and not the parents.

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

The football coach wanted to move......Yes DWS provides an excellent academic environment no question for those who can afford it I wish them nothing but the best in their academic and athletic endeavors...I think there should only be one league for athletics and all schools should play each other if they decide to do so. I would love to see DWS play local schools in football and literary competitition or any other sport. Perhaps one would force the other to step their games up in their appropriate field or event. I was under the impression the schools did not play each other because the GHSA only allows competition between full fledged NFHS member schools for which the GISA is only a partial member....I may be wrong but that is what I thought. Schools like Marist don't seem to have any problem playing in a region with S. Atlanta Miller Grove and the like and do quite well in all sports at the AAAA level.and there seems to be little to no issues with going to each others place to play.

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beartrap 1 year, 5 months ago

suspect part of the decision not to schedule GHSA schools was due to knowing their fans would be reluctant to attend games at some of the schools where fights and shootings happen at ball games.....

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

Good point....that does need to be cleaned up....I agree....but in the region they would have been placed I don't think Hugh Mills would have been a factor...if that is what you are referring to

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

thats just an excuse to keep running scared!!!!!

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

If the parents don't support a move, then don't move. The Board of Trustees are there to represent the parents, correct?

I am honestly a little surprised in the outcome.

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

Yes DWS you would have competed against publics during the regular season but only privates in the playoffs...you would not have had to play in Hugh mills stadium if that is the issue and if you didn't want to schedule any of the inner city schools you would not have had to...at least not in Albany anyway...there should be only One high school league and eventually the GISA will fold

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

DWS has shown the world who the real "chickens" are........Finally this argument is over. The Knights are scared, and their principal has NO GUTS!!!!!

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VSU 1 year, 5 months ago

And ASU are bigger chickens, their coach has no guts.

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ASUALUM 1 year, 5 months ago

Look bruh... this article is addressing DWS decision to not leave the GISA... please refrain from speaking on ASU. If Valdosta wants to play ASU that damn bad or needs the money that damn bad , dammit they have just as much opportunity to schedule us as we have to schedule them!!!

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FryarTuk 1 year, 5 months ago

It cost one of my managers over $12,000 a year for their child in high school at DWS. Then the school had the nerve to send around requests for donations to parents and grandparents. The counseling the child got on curriculum was woefully inadequate. Advised to take APM courses the student couldn't use them at University because coursework had not been taught by APM certified teachers. I think a parent and a child has a right to go to any school they choose for any reason they choose but let's be square about what goes on. As for the athletics, who gives a fig what conference DWS plays in. I am all for paring down athletics in public schools to intramural sports and taking the money and putting it in academic and vocational development. If students need exercising for motor tension discharge, fine, 20 minutes of good physical education should be just fine.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

Sports are a good way to keep kids out of trouble. I like your line of thinking, though. I would like to see a higher minimum GPA for athletes to have in order to compete. Maybe a community service / volunteer hours requirement as well for all students.

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dmyers80 1 year, 5 months ago

I totally agree with you both fryar and sherwood... Thats why so many local high school athletes find themselves at juco now... the minimum GPa is so low, and they do just enough to get by, and when its time for college, just enough isnt enough to qualify for college!

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

I hate the message they send students at the collegiate level with the admissions requirements for students vs. student athletes.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

The amount of time that athletes spend OUT OF the classroom is disheartening. There are very few athletes who can make it in the classroom let alone excel there. Travel time and weekday games leave athletes behind. Oh sure, they might have special study halls while at college but many on are social networks rather than academic ones. Perhaps we need a system where the school is for athletes and they can learn how to read at an 8th grade level and balance a check book. Then perhaps create a school for fans of athletics who can learn how to read at the 12th grade level, put a few facts together and know something and who can solve for x.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

Most teachers will extend deadlines for student athletes if there is an away game or weekend tournament. I played a sport every season and managed to have good grades, of course I knew that if my grades dropped my parents would pull me off the team.

Participating in athletics in school is a privilege not a right.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

It's not about extending due dates; it is about them physically being in class. Athletes can miss 6 weeks worth of class sometimes; how can they possibly learn? Their reading comprehension is not good enough for them to learn from the text alone. Maybe they should live on campus and take online courses at every level and every campus.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

I think you are exaggerating a bit, but I do get your point. If you aren't skilled at learning things directly from a text book then it is harder to learn in high school when playing varsity sports.

This problem starts much earlier than high school with reading and reading comprehension. Parents can help by not allowing their kids to talk using blatantly incorrect grammar. It's not cute, funny, or harmless.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

Really, you think I am exaggerating? An athlete in my class missed the entire month of Feb and the 1st 2 weeks of Mar due to games; others missed a week; still another team missed more than a week. And teachers are supposed to make concessions? Graduating dumb (ignorant) jocks...they are not stupid, just ignorant because they are rarely in class to learn anything.

Students sight read; they can read the words but have no comprehension. They cannot take pieces of information and make knowledge; knowledge is not on the tests, information is.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

How did an athlete miss an entire month and a half of classes?

I played 3 sports all 4 years of high school and I guarantee you that I didn't miss 3 weeks of class in all of those years combined. I guess things have changed and not for the good.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

There are other institutions of education here. And no, I do not mean ASU.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 5 months ago

My grand nephew was allowed by his parents and the public school to miss two weeks of (the first 2 weeks) class to participate in extracurricular activities. Mid term grades in physics and APM Lit were horrible and everybody was pointing fingers. It does go on.

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dominiquedamac 1 year, 5 months ago

Alot of athletes has to attend JUCos because of their grades. Sometimes, some athletes attend JUCOs because they didn't get no Division 1 Scholarships and they want to play at the 2 year schools so they can get a chance to play at a Division 1 school. Oh yeah, this is not a local problem...alot of athletes has problems like this... Trent Brown went to a 2 year school and he is playing for the Univerity of Florida right now.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

Yes, the grades are awful because Albany grammatical rules are not used on standardized tests; collegiate grammar is. In places with a three digit average IQ of the citizens, collegiate level grammar is used in colleges and universities as well as on the streets. There is no 'fixin ta', no 'mighta coulda' and no 'y'all'. A lot is two words; 'didn't get no' is "did not receive any", and athletes is a plural word so 'have', not 'has', is correct.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 5 months ago

I agree that sports are good for youth. However, I think there are more appropriate ways to accomplish the goal. An example is American Legion BB, church league programs, Pop Warner, etc. Saddling the schools with the athletic agendas is considerably unfair to the professional educators who have such a heavy and finite commitment. Salaries and expenses just get out of hand particularly in times such as these when every dime we can find should go to educating children who have such burdens of culture. To say nothing of the taxpayers burdens. But private schools who want to throw down their cabbage on what you see with DWS, I say, it's your money.

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hotdog 1 year, 5 months ago

So really according to your logic we should just eliminate athletics altogether correct?

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

No, that's not what FT is saying at all. We need to get our priorities in order. We must stop de-emphasizing academics in favor of athletics. That is a disservice to those young men and women.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

This is GA; all sports, few academics. Look at the salary that coaches receive at all levels; GA may rank at the top in high school (private or public) sports but GA students consistently score 47th-50th in US rankings of math, science, and reading.

Regardless of color, students speak mush mouth; they do not read so they do not understand that there are more letters in a word than the way they speak it. They do not recognize that they are spelling the word incorrectly because they do not recognize it.

The teachers are learning to teach in GA; the cycle continues. Stupid is as stupid does.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

I think it has more to do with lowering standards to increase graduation rates than it does the salaries that coaches are making.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 5 months ago

I agree that the standards have been lowered. I also agree that not a penny should be paid to coaches for coaching interscholastic athletics. Pay teachers equitably according to degree, experience and instructional achievement. Degrees from mail order universities should be excluded. I realized the thread has sort of (hell radically) deviated from the subject but if you want athletics it should be intramural or from voluntary organizations unrelated to public schools. Teachers should be compensated based on their grades, their degree and their instructional achievement and they should be paid a minimum of $48,000. Science and math teachers should be paid sufficiently to attract and keep them even if it is $70 to $80 K a year. One key thing to remember for the future. Laying aside issues of scientific and mechanical advancement, if the public is not educated, democracy will not work.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

It's all about cash-money, and it has to come from somewhere. If we raise the pay for teachers then we have to raise the accountability and minimum requirements as well. The sad thing is that the people from my high school who are teachers now were the ones who did the worst in school. That can't be the case if we are to turn this mess around.

I can see pros and cons to what you suggest in removing athletics from public schools. I just can't see that ever happening or working.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

We don't remove them; we segregate them. If you are a middle school or high school athlete, you attend an athletics-focused system which turns out entertainers (athletes) who are polite, functionally (il-)literate, able to do basic base ten math, sign a document legibly, and willing to be ignorant.

Categorize and select students and place them accordingly: want-to-be-pro athletes go to athlete schools, want-to-play in college go to schools where reading is emphasized and required but that's it, do-not-want to play go to schools without athletics but with art, music, PE, recess, math, science, reading, grammar, foreign languages, etc.

Why force kids who do not want to be in school except to play sports to go to school with kids who want to succeed in other things? Why force kids who want to learn to go to schools who have great athletics programs and nothing else?

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Jacob 1 year, 5 months ago

"We don't remove them; we segregate them."

LOL. Not very subtle, J.B. Stoner.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

I call them like I see them; schools are already segregated here. Public and private or under the guise of religion. Here is a chance to segregate by desire not by color.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 5 months ago

The term segregation does not necessarily connote racial division. The author here is talking about separation by interest and goal which has validity for discussion purposes. To imply he means anything different is intellectual dishonest. I don't essentially agree with his position but I strongly support his/her right to speak about it.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 5 months ago

Jacob's remark is is an illiterate comment by a bumpkin.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

I hope you are being facetious. There are plenty of athletes who are excelent in class, despite all of their extra curricular activities. How would this put our society in a better place in 10 years than it is now?

I think the answers to your last two questions are obvious. As a parent you must do what's best for your child to give them the best chance to live a successful and productive life. There is a reason a minor can't make certain decisions for himself or herself. A minor is too immature and irrational to make informed decisions about his or her future. If a minor only wants to play sports, well tough sh!t. The odds of a someone going pro in football is like .08%, basketball is .03%, and baseball at .4%. Those are just the odds of being drafted, not of having a career long enough to never have to work again if finances are managed properly.

Just my opinion...

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

We are not going to have a better society in ten years; we have never had a 'better' society. We have a society with all of its prejudice and pride.

I know the odds of going pro; the kids don't. Because Deion and Buster made it, they all believe they can too.

Since this city is full of minors who are parents, parents are too immature to make such decisions. Let the kids make them; if it is a wrong decision, no trophy for them!!!

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

I think women and blacks will disagree with you. We can't give up on making the world a better place. I thought a teacher of all people would appreciate that.

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erudite 1 year, 5 months ago

Really? Women are better off having their bodies continue to be regulated, earn .82 to every male dollar, being accused that how we dress causes us to be raped, victims to policies that are created so that we cannot name the father of our child because gov't will take assistance away, oh and still considered property of men. And yes, the blacks sure have it better--low income housing, doors slammed in their faces when they look for work or an apartment; to participate in an experiment in which someone sounds white and the apt is vacant and then the same apt if not available if the caller sounds 'black'; to be hassled if they are standing on the corner with friends---black kids-it's a gang, white kids-it's a group of kids; accused of welfare fraud because they drive a nice car;

Oh I appreciate it, SEA, I appreciate it all the way to the core. How can WE make the world a better place; IT IS NOT OURS TO RULE!!!!

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

I think women have overcome far bigger issues than earning less money than men. Are we done with women's rights - No; do we just give up because WE can't make a difference - No.

The comment about black people was highly prejudicial, and a typical view by a southerner . Not all black people are poor as you would have me believe. But you know what all black people in the U.S. have in common? They aren't viewed as second class citizens by the government and the majority if Americans. We still have some (many on this very website) who view non-white heterosexuals as second-class, and that is very sad.

Did you really just try and argue that neither women nor black people are better off today than they were just decades ago here in the U.S.?

The point of my entire argument is that we must make progress in bettering this country. We can't give up and take steps backward because progress is difficult.

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FryarTuk 1 year, 5 months ago

Probably not in the next few decades. However, if the charter school concept takes hold and athletics is eliminated from budgets we might see it come earlier. I think the charter school idea might work for public education. If I were a disadvantage parent with a bit of drive I would be organizing a group to focus on educating my children in English, math, science and history and to heck with throwing a ball. There are black and white families out there who want to see their children develop and they fully understand the DCSS is short of the mark significantly.

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

Boy did you guys jump off the page...........stick to the topic.......DEERFIELD IS SCARED!!!!

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

Deerfield is scared in the same way Monroe is scared to make the jump to 5A competition.

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mrcvsjr 1 year, 5 months ago

I guess there isn't any sports being played in the SOWEGA area that needs to be covered, if this article is still on the main page of this website.

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Sherwood_Eagle_Alum 1 year, 5 months ago

It probably has something to do with 110+ comments...

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bubbasmithredneck 1 year, 5 months ago

Monroe can only jump to 5A if their enrollment is up to that level. Its not up to Monroe, its based on their population so shut up fool.....

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