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Still doesn't answer my question, but appreciate the information though. Also, in Columbine, the primary weapon of the other was a TEC- 9, which he unloaded 55 times vs. 25 times for the shotgun (used by the other guy). Also, they were in the school for nearly an hour. But we can do this all day, and I probably won't revisit anymore comments here. Thanks.
What you may not realize is that I am very leery of using the words "ban" when it comes to guns. I too am scared that guns in the wrong hands means bad things for law abiding citizens, but when tragedies happen that offer opportunity for legitimate conversation, and the best we get are dumb sound bites, it's not productive for anybody. I actually though this as an opportunity for the NRA to get out in front of this conversation, while still protecting legitimate 2nd amendment rights, but the best it could do was “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”
Forgive me @B4it, you are exactly right, for in the story about the shooting in Calif, the shooter did actually spread pellets, which is what caused INJURY (not death) to the second person, who happened to be a teacher (my mistake). But still prove to me that if the Sandy Hook gunman had used the shotgun used by the student in Calif, vs the Bushmaster the damage would have been equal or worse. Keep in mind that the victims in Sandy Hook were shot up to eleven times, the carnage was over in less than 20 seconds, and he managed to get off 150 rounds. I don't claim to be a gun expert (in fact I attributed the comment to a Republican commentator), but once again Educate me. Your gun comparisons don’t convince me…at all, but it’s still good conversation.
Agreeing with some of what @sherwood said and lot of what @FryarTuk said...although I don't belong to the NRA. This issue has nothing to do with trying to ban guns or coming into your homes to take your guns and women, it's about restricting access to weapons of terror. As a Republican aptly said this a.m. about the most recent incident in California where a student injured two classmates after shooting at them with a 12 - gauge shotgun, "Can you imagine if he had an assault rifle?" Not the best example to cite, but it does speak to the level of violence perpetrated by a shotgun vs. an assault rifle that could possibly fire off multiple rounds in short periods of time.
Also, in @sherwood's defense, I've seen a lot of people on this site make light of ethnic dialect and nobody says anything about it. When I troll around on some of my favorite liberal sites, I make a point of admonishing my liberal friends from the Northeast or West for making light of preconceived stereotypes about southern heritage and southern living (i.e. uneducated, hicks, hillbillies, southern drawl, etc.). Not cool. And if I ever do it on this site, I would hope someone would call me out for it.
PS, I would also love to ban stupid soundbites about banning everything that results in death that have nothing to do with common sense gun related legislation.
And the list of stupid things said by gun rights advocates grows longer.
Not kidding, and based on your own stated experiences (see your comments above), I'm not too far off. But that was before I found out about the family selling downtown subway(see @albanyherald below). IMHO Albany is not a good location for high-end franchise restaurants. The best restaurants are family owned and family operated. Although it's been a while since I've gone out, my best experiences have been with the El Ranchos, Garganos (when Momma Gargano was in business, I made it a daily lunch site), Cookie Shoppe, Carters, etc. And there was a small restaurant that opened in the center on Lake Park Drive (across from the Albany Board of Realtors). They made the best in-house salads I've ever tasted. Haven’t been in many years and don’t know if they are still there. I don't get to go out much anymore, so I hope no one else tells me that these establishments are under new ownership/management. Although I know Momma G passed away a while back...
Didn't know that. Sad news indeed.
The best restaurant in town is the downtown subway.....period!
Wow, people are actually making/offering common sense arguments on this squawk, yet some feel the need to make light of an accident where people lost their lives and families lost their loved ones. People do make legitimate arguments against gun legislation (although I support it in some form), but when you lower yourself to juvenile comments, they don't make your side look any smarter or knowledgeable on this topic. That's when the "gun control" fanatics pounce and then you lose those who may be on the fence. I think one of the first steps in keeping kids safe is serious conversation,which a lot of people were doing here. But alas, it just won't happen without someone making the dumb statement like the one above, so here's my dumb comment to follow up on the first one.
You seem to suggest in your comments about the bus accident,the famous NRA argument that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." So since the bus would not have gone off the road had it not been driven by a human being, here goes: "Buses driven on icy roads don't kill people, the people who drive the buses kill people." (Shoulda took a plane home).
Bottom line: Those comparisons have nothing to do with each other, but if you want to take away from legitimate arguments made by your side by making them, then go ahead. The First Amendment protects your right to do so.
Just when you thought dumb rationale had been replaced by meaningful discussion.
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